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Christian Religion Causes Me Anxiety And Fear.

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Does PTSD change people's views on religion? Or does religion change people's views about trauma?

For me both questions were yes. Early on I was cut off and caught up in the traumas and was angry and hurt by what I felt was allowed to happen to me. I turned several times to faith based groups, and at the time (the 70's and 80's) there was no answer or teaching available with trauma or adversity. I quit the church. I hit some big crisis points where I realized that I didn't have the solutions for how to live a reasonably satisfying life... and went looking for answers. I went back to the church, though a different denomination after studying various statements of faith and docturnal literature after I was a member in AA for about 9 months. This time, literature, counseling, and bible studies were available to teach me how do deal with adversity, to transend trauma, and how to view my traumas against my belief in God.
 
These people are hurting you so much. and it leaves wounds and scars called secondary wounding. You are actually being retraumatized. It is a very dangerous thing to do to a hurting person like yourself.
And they only care about protecting their image, I think. When I was in the hospital after the rape only one church lady came to see me.

There are a lot of churches that make money off of people in a weak position. Money could be a part of it too.

"I hate cops because all cops are corrupt." - Are all cops corrupt? Really?
Most cops are corrupt. I don't hate them but I am careful to not get involved with them.
 
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Projecting a lot of distorted thinking Fairywings. Someone did come to the hospital for you. But obviously you were hurt by your perceived lack of attentiveness. The church didn't do that. Your own thinking did. The last sentence in your post is a classic example of distorted and irrational thinking.

It is a self protecting, and self perpetuating intolerance and distrust. It serves no good purpose except to self validate your own thoughts and feelings.
 
I think it is fair to love nature and God. I am beginning to believe that it is okay to believe and worship God...but avoid churches. I think the people in the church bring us anxiety.


They do. Most of them do. Churches usually are not set up to handle anyone going against them. Even if you are right. It is usually not ok.

Projecting a lot of distorted thinking Fairywings. The church didn't do that. Your own thinking did. The last sentence in your post is a classic example of distorted and irrational thinking.
That is both true and false. My thinking was to think whatever they wanted me to. When I attempted to think for myself I was "put in my place fast." So the church did do it.
 
Most cops are corrupt. I don't hate them but I am careful to not get involved with them.

Are they? I don't agree. Even though they didn't intervene or arrest my first husband when he would assault me. Even though I had first hand experience with military police investigations "manufacturing evidence". I found on investigation that it is not beneficial, good, fair, just or true that ALL cops are corrupt. It is a distorted, irrational and largely unhelpful belief that I personally refuted. By attending events where I worked with off duty officers to support local sports programs, where young people I taught swim lessons to entered the force, where I attended the Citizen's police academy... It took work, but I was able to see the error of my judgment and how it kept me fearful, unable to trust, and anxiety ridden.

I hope one day you'll see it too.

They do. Most of them do. Churches usually are not set up to handle anyone going against them. Even if you are right. It is usually not ok.

What is your direct evidence that "Most" is true and correct? Generalizations do not serve any purpose that is beneficial. It is distorted thinking that keeps you in the cycle.

I give up.

Thanks though for your thoughts.
 
What evidence do you have to support the belief that "most" cops are corrupt? (sorry about the misquote). But really? I was replying to a direct question by another poster. So I'm a bit confused as to why your mind cherry picked my own description of my personal experience and overlooked the general ideas presented in the post.
 
Does PTSD change people's views on religion? Or does religion change people's views about trauma? I know trauma can turn your world upside down--Loosing faith; thinking you have a short life to live.

Yes and yes from this quarter too. Reconciling the existence of evil and pain with the reality of God is super tricky stuff. "Very Advanced Practice" as my meditation teacher would say.

I think Alby's long post on the previous page is worth reading several times - and (at the risk of being pushy) might have a lot to offer you, fairywings, in your quest to regain strength etc.

Reality checking and rejecting over-generalizations (as cognitive distortions) is an essential life skill for PTSD sufferers in a way that it is not (quite) for "normal" people. The issue of cops is a particularly difficult one, I think, since they are *supposed* to be "the good guys" and yet, they are merely human.:cry: The cop in the movie "Crash" is a perfect illustration of what I am thinking about here. (I come from a family full of cops, so am well aware of their flawed-ness.) Giving up the "good guys/bad guys" master narrative is a challenging thing to do - and worth it, none the less. It is also, IMHO, at the heart of all Christian (and other mono-theistic and most other spiritual) traditions. It is harder to live in a world where there are not good guys and bad guys tho.

At the same time, I'd chime in to say the church communities, like all other sorts of communities and families, exist along a spectrum of functional and dysfunctional. It happens that sometimes people find themselves among "traveling companions" who are not well suited to their place in the journey.

Anecdote: My best friend's church was most unhelpful to her with her marriage and divorce - it was a very traditional church and shunned her when she opted for divorce (after many years,) although having to deal with her ex without her 'covering for' and 'running interference' for him has changed several people's view of the matter. He turns out to be a much less congenial person when he has to actually take responsibility for himself (which he doesn't.) I'm afraid her experience with these people injured her relationship with God (kind of like gossip can ruin relationships between individuals). She spent YEARS waiting for *the hammer to fall*. And she didn't talk to God for a long time.:( I finally convinced her that maybe they were wrong about God and the whole marriage thing (Long story) by suggesting that if we started with the premise that God was at least as compassionate and forgiving as her mother (who is not very) who had been quite upset with her at first, and had, over a year of dealing with the ex directly, shifted to a position of not being able to quite fathom how she'd stayed married to THAT for so many years... maybe God might not be so put out with her. (Sorry for the run on sentence). Assuming that God was better than her mom, He must approve. Contrary to her ex-church's doctrine? Yup. But who made them God?

Anyway, from where I sit, reconciling trauma and evil with the existence of a loving God requires a conception of God that is neither simplistic nor "narrow" and that takes MOST seriously our limitations as "knowers."

I hope any of this made sense.
 
Giving up the "good guys/bad guys" master narrative is a challenging thing to do - and worth it, none the less. It is also, IMHO, at the heart of all Christian (and other mono-theistic and most other spiritual) traditions. It is harder to live in a world where there are not good guys and bad guys tho.

At the same time, I'd chime in to say the church communities, like all other sorts of communities and families, exist along a spectrum of functional and dysfunctional. It happens that sometimes people find themselves among "traveling companions" who are not well suited to their place in the journey.


I agree with that. I am in self protective mode right now. Because I am waiting to see doctors and in need of therapy.
 
I am in self protective mode right now

You take good care then fairywings. Don't go biting off more than you can chew. Seriously. And if you need to leave the thread because it is triggering you, no shame or harm in that, Right?

Super work that you are seeing help!!!! I'm guessing it will do a world of good given your level of self awareness and reflection. Crummy that you have to wait. (When I am philosopher queen, things are gonna be DIFFERENT.:D:rolleyes: )
 
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