• We are a multilingual website again. Read the notice about this.
  • Understand AI use at MyPTSD: all AI use is explained in our AI help page. AI use is by choice here. It exists if you want it, but does nothing unless you choose to use it.

Christians Unite!

Status
Not open for further replies.
I can call on the spiritual realm to feel love/safety/trust and there is indeed a physical sense of feeling but at the same time when you lack that physical sense with other humans there is no substitute. (Pets aren't a full substitute.) I mean physical touch, connection that cannot be had without love/trust.

Humans are born for a natural need of human touch and human connection.

The "god stuff" is sorta mixed up in my head so I cant speak to that but I can say that although touch terrifies me, its also something I long for the most.

So in my opinion, if one is spiritual, you would need both, both the connection to God and a connection to people. Omitting either and you feel you are missing something.

I do know the Bible and it call for followship. That's how I always understood that. God made humans to need Him and other humans.

Not sure if this answered that question.
 
@EveHarrington , we can surely love who we can't trust (pretty much everyone at a decent AlAnon meeting understands that conundrum :( ). I do think it is- at best- a process. But infinitely more rewarding & safe when someone can be trusted, far better quality of relationship.

But you know what Eve? JMHO, of course, but those are the things (words) we hear, they're thrown around more easily or at least frequently (IMHO). Just trust, etc etc, "I can't", but from people who do, etc. (But it's a lot different in my experience from this side of the fence. Not too many rainbows & unicorns over here, lol. ) What I mean is, our trust troubles are not solved by (cannot be solved by) 'try harder' or 'think positively' or 'just try again'). I think the truth is, (& I can't take credit- not my realization but true), even God can help us when we are (& need to be) triple-locked-down-emotionally. I think that is you, that is me. Too much hurt, too much pain, way too little to believe or trust in (if at all).

I do agree with Maslow's 'hierarchy of needs', to the degree by which if the worst is over (or we're immune already, or at least so shut down ) , some food, safety, shelter is met, questions like these have more room. I think that's a better sign though, in a way. Or at least almost inevitable.

I myself have no real idea. I have no meaning to my existence, I was not worthwhile to 'love', I suppose, & really will leave (at best) nothing more than a few incidental, small kindnesses along the way. I care for others' families, & have none of my own. I'm seen as the 'happy' one, & I struggle with SI. I get asked out a lot, because I won't go (the ironic truth). 'Trust' is, well- wow. (Though I do believe vulnerability accompanies it, & we don't always have a say in that). I have had, supposedly, a life of 'lost potential'. Truth is, at this point I'm glad to make it through the day. I can't stand Freud, but I always recall (& cringe) at a comment he said, that "What can't mentally ill people do?" His response was "work +/or love". :( That being said, whether ptsd is considered an injury, or illness, or what-have-you, a mountain of pain comes with it.

However, I also think, one thing Jesus always had (after the fact), was wounds. Very visible wounds that He chose to have (visibly) remaining- He never chose to make them invisible after-the-fact. So He 'gets' it, including the broken-ness. (I wonder if they told 'Him' to 'get over it..?' ;) ). So in other words, I think trusting He has a plan for our lives (knows what He's doing'), & relates & cares, means, well, everything to start.

Also, it isn't black-or-white, all or nothing. But we can choose, & choose to change our minds, as we change or decide to, based on where we are at, & all factors together. (It's ok to feel nothing, +/or everything else, right now too, for that matter).

I feel so defeated... I try to take baby steps and reach out but things end poorly. I've been smacked on two different fronts as of late and don't know if I can reach out again to another human

IMHO this ^^^ says nothing of you, & everything (negatively) of them. The question is, where is the person/ people, who will understand, cherish & value you, & will make it priority to do everything in their power to respect you, your heart & your feelings?

Thank you for being so honest.

Hugs to you.
 
Last edited:
IMHO this says nothing of you, & everything (negatively) of them. The question is, where is the person/ people, who will understand, cherish & value you, & will make it priority to do everything in their power to respect you, your heart & your feelings.

Even though you werent speaking to me, this made me cry. Crying is a new thing to me but hey, you helped that along.

I often wonder if those people will ever exist in my life...
 
Yes @Junebug this is all new to me. I was ok without close human relationships for many years. And suddenly, I was not. I don't know how to deal with my new struggle for wanting to be close to people. I think that's why I question if my faith will be enough to overcome it all. For now my faith is the only thing keeping my head above water but I don't think it will be enough for a lifetime. I will look up the hierarchy of needs. It sounds like it could explain a lot.

The defeated part-----one was a rotten apple and good riddance to him. The other, well, it is my fault that things went bad. My system freaks out and I push people away. It's been like this since I was a kid. It got so bad that I had to cut communication because I knew I was hurting them and I knew no other way to fix the situation. Sad that I run away just to stop the damage.
 
For now my faith is the only thing keeping my head above water but I don't think it will be enough for a lifetime.

But why cant your faith be enough for now but as you heal, learn to not push people away and learn to trust your judgement of whom to allow in your space to not be assholes?

That's what Im hoping for myself in my future, including the faith part. Its just at the moment the "god stuff" is mixed up and I had to come to terms with, for now, I cant unmix it but hope to one day. And also that people seem to find 'my issues' too much and I push people away out of fear. But I hope one day to not have these major issues or the fear of people so that people feel comfortable being in my space and I in return feel comfrotable with them being there.

Basically, what Im saying is why push that? Rely on your faith, that's what's working for you so hold on to that and work on the rest, slowly, but work on it.

Does that make sense or help any?
 
@EveHarrington , not sure if this is helpful but saw & thought something today.

There's a beautiful new statue at church with the Blessed Virgin Mary, with a sweet, gentle face, with an open- hey- 'trusting'!!- that's the word!!! :wideeyed: (Just thought of it! :wideeyed: :wideeyed: ) expression. Was going to say, there's another older statue there, though not meant that way, if you look she has 'wounds' on her palms, too.

What I was going to say is, fear/ courage/ gentleness/ bravery/ trust/ suffering/ love/ the unknown etc, they all can exist at once, (at the same time). One does not preclude the other, our choices can or do, that's all. So, for example, when we run away, it is fear- maybe fear of being hurt, fear of intimacy, fear of hurting the other people. To run away, as it were, from as*holes- that's good as @lostforgottensoul said. But it's not usually those we do. And the method of 'running' proper (or leaving off the face of the earth without explanation), isn't good. Then, we are making boundaries for others, but it's our boundaries we are (only) supposed to be worried about. A more balanced way would be to say, "Idk if this will be too much, we will have to see". And have fear but 'choose' a different way. Does that make sense? (I am rushing to work & my keys/ "a's" stick lol.)

Then, I went to walk the dog, 'said one' because they said, 'ask for what you need (too), ask for others- lots!', so I said, 'show me what I need to do?' (I'm trying to commit to anti-SI). Well I found 1/2 a fake poppy; I don't honor the past or remember the present- I need to. A pacifier- I don't self-sooth. A washer- I need to plug leaks, in my thinking as well, identify them too. A pair of earbuds- I need to 'listen'; and, I'm not kidding, a sign that said said "Drink milk & wine" lol. I think that is self-care, maybe too church, also relaxing. Oh yes- and a large bag of "Brown Maple sugar"= incorporate sweetness, I figure. :)

I know- this sounds crazy. But, maybe we can live with fear, & joy, & bravery, & meltdowns & grace, etc etc etc, all combined? .. I didn't know I could be fearful & brave, gentle & trusting & terrified, etc, Etc... :confused:
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Donation drives

2026 Donation Goal

Goal
$1,800.00
Earned
$910.00
This donation drive ends in
0 hours, 0 minutes, 0 seconds
  50.6%

Trending content

Featured content

Back
Top Bottom