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Depression Vs Suicidal Ideation Vs Ptsd

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GWhizz

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Can someone please tell me which comes 1st, the chicken or the egg?

I'm so fed up of being told I'm depressed because I'm sad and upset by flashbacks and nightmares of the past. Yea I've suicidal thoughts, I cry when I'm reminded of my trauma.

But zonking me up on antidepressants is not treating the root issues. I'm told I have 'complex trauma'. I can't fit the ptsd diagnosis because apparently that's from one single isolated event that happened within 6 months of my issues resulting afterward. I also am apparently 'depressed' though not clinically or chronically so they say. But being sad about the past and how it affects me now means they must treat my 'depression'. I don't feel depressed. Am I not allowed be upset if I awake thinking I'm back in an attack? Would that even be considered normal?! I'm just so confused.

Back in my worst traumatic times, I had trauma like reactions and I wasn't coping - I became mute etc, attempted suicide, even as a child. Is it my fault I was dismissed by pediatric psychologists as 'attention-seeking' when that may have been a ptsd reaction itself well within the '6 months' quota allowed to develop ptsd? I have read that ptsd can be missed. One may then learn to cope and get on with life and it can go into remission and lay dormant until triggered later on by certain events. In my case - having a child brought it all back up and I couldn't escape what I'd buried and avoided, any longer

Just to stress, I do not hold any stigma toward depression as a diagnosis. I just feel like my team are completely distracting from what's actually going on with me.

I read that anger is usually a secondary emotion in response to a primary - such as sadness or guilt for example. Surely depressive symptoms are likely to be a secondary response for most people with a real genuine underlying issue/problem. I'm sick of them telling me 'you're just a bit depressed', because that in itself is all the more invalidating and depressing - no pun intended!
 
Dear @GWhizz , I'm sorry I don't have time but @anthony had a great blog post on that I just found: go the thread from Anthony about vent about Google withdrawing advertisements, follow (Anthony's blog) on the bottom, his post on depression. Absolutely 100% accurate & addresses this, IMHO.

(Hope that's ok to recommend @anthony).

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Hugs. :hug:
 
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I can't fit the ptsd diagnosis because apparently that's from one single isolated event that happened within 6 months of my issues resulting afterward.
I don't have time to answer more fully at the moment, but this is untrue. A lot of members on site have experienced delayed onset of PTSD symptoms much more than six months later, and as I'm sure you're aware, not all from single trauma...

I know you're in Ireland not the UK, but this is what the NHS says about it...


"The type of events that can cause PTSD include:

  • serious road accidents
  • violent personal assaults, such as sexual assault, mugging or robbery
  • prolonged sexual abuse, violence or severe neglect
  • witnessing violent deaths
  • military combat
  • being held hostage
  • terrorist attacks
  • natural disasters, such as severe floods, earthquakes or tsunamis
PTSD can develop immediately after someone experiences a disturbing event or it can occur weeks, months or even years later."


http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Post-traumatic-stress-disorder/Pages/Introduction.aspx
 
Hi , the answer to your first question is only god knows!!!
As for depression , my personal opinion without upsetting anyone , I think it's quiet easily diagnosed, it's very easy in the United Kingdom to go to the drs and be signed off with depression !!! I can only speak from a managers point of view, when I actually meet with my staff ,what they describe , is not depression !!! Depression? I have suffered depression many years ago which then became more apparent that it was cptsd , as a victim of rape and years of abuse in every form I used alcohol, in fact abused alcohol to help me cope with my traumas , alone as I could not discuss with anyone I became reliant on something that blocked out all my suffering . As I learnt later , alcohol made me even more depressed, and after treatment I became teetotal , I went in medication to help me cope but decided it wasn't for me so weaned myself off. I suffer from cptsd and depression, anxiety, anger , disaccoation , flashbacks , and more are associated with this , but I'm coping and learnt to cope with the help from my t, and alternative therapies. So sorry not even sure if I've answered your post as having bad flashbacks and quiet stressed so please forgive me if doesn't make sense . I hope you get the answers you looking for .
 
this being a public hse community mental health service -
Perhaps email them the link to their own website!? << only half joking - if that's the reason they're not considering PTSD as a possibility, it might be worth putting together the information for them from reputable sites/organisations so they can't refute it.

It sucks having to fight so hard for the help you need though at a time when you least feel up to fighting x
 
Dear @GWhizz, rushing to work, just to say, I couldn't understand for decades how the event that seemed to precipitate everything could qualify as criterion A, thought it was wrong (an unexpected death, though I had other criterion A qualifying events), until I realized yes I watched a murder of my loved one, really (in my mind. They were dying but we did not know that factually, treatment was to start, my sister was 5 hours from arriving, nothing was actually imminent, would have been days at least from what I have had confirmed far as that goes, & yes they did in fact I truly believe from what I know caring for the dying & my experiences got 'knocked off' precipitously & without desire- theirs or ours- or permission- theirs or ours) , & I didn't stop it, somehow couldn't speak up even. I was the only one there.

It took years to see anything childhood-related at all through different eyes, I minimize everything.

Like you, same kind of history. Pulled it together & fell apart over so much smaller thing years & years later.

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Thanks @digger. It just gets to the point where I'm beginning to feel that they think I'm 'pushing' for this diagnosis. I actually don't really wish to have a diagnosis at all. I just don't want to be misdiagnosed with depression anymore which is only delaying my recovery. I may throw both the nhs' and the hse's criteria at them! We kinda model our healthcare system off of the nhs' anyway.

@Namenotdiagnosis you definitely helped thank you. I hope you're okay. I really appreciate you being supportive whilst experiencing such distress yourself.

@Junebug I'll take a look at that thanks for your time
 
Thank you!

Understand completely!

Anthony said it's mood-based a-typical -depression, ptsd-initiated & fueled (vs biochemical etc). True for me I know, thoughts do it.. The blog is :tup: :tup:.
 
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