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@lostforgottensoul - it is hard when you're coming at it from starting points like ours. It's too similar to what caused all our damage. It's hard to understand that for some people, that is, actually, enjoyable.

But then, maybe not so hard. After all, our abusers seemed to enjoy it. So if people can enjoy it in a completely non-abusive way, then I guess, well, more power to them:shy:
 
I don't think I even know that a loving kind of sex exists.
The most healthy, loving sexual relationship I had was with a guy I picked up on Craigslist. We weren't even dating - just became bedfellows for a time. Had amazing conversations, fun together, exchanged intimacies...At the time, I was pretty sure I wasn't engaging in trauma re-enactment - I had been there and done that before. I was actually just re-connecting with myself as a sexual creature, after my 10 year relationship ended.

I don't think that all impulsive, basically-strangers sex is trauma related. What the OP described in her first post, about seeking pain - that's what a big chunk of my life was about, and that, yes, sounds like punishment to me - even more than re-enactment, just emotionally rooted self-punishment. But this:
someone I thought was a friend, asked if I'd be up for no strings attached sex. This person knows about the guy who has been sexually manipulating me, saying that hearing about what I've been going through upsets him. The friend knows I'm an optimist in search of true love and don't want just sex yet he asks me anyway.
strikes me as maybe a really good deal. I don't know - I'm also a hopeless romantic, hoping for some second chapter in my life, and pretty sure that there won't be one. But I wasn't worried about that stream of wanting getting muddled up in the stream of just wanting to be sexual on my own terms, as I was in my post-relationship, have a lot-of-good-sex days.

It's hard when you are working so hard to accept that you're good for more than just sex, yet you want to also be a sexual being. It would be nice if the body and mind would only put one of those in front of us at a time. Just never seems to work that way.

Edit to add: also, just as rape isn't about sex, it's about power - recreating trauma in the context of having intercourse isn't about sex - it's about self-loathing and self-harm.

BDSM is just another way to have sex, and there's nothing at all wrong with it when it's done right.
 
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Good point @joeylittle!

My "other site friend" (im gonna start to refer to him as) talks a lot about sort of meeting yourself where you are. You end up in bed with this guy, meet yourself there and maybe open up to him, ask him for coffee, a real date, or whatever you havent done together...or if it ends up not being a good time or a good thing, think of why/what lead up to those feelings and help yourself walk through those things.

It seems my therapist is a fan of this sort of thinking as it doesnt require self hatred, self punishment, shame etc. It sort of challeges me to, at least try, to be ok with where im at if you will and requires a ton less of this self hatred/self rage/self punishment merry-go-round and a ton more self acceptance/self softness/self care etc.

Basically either way is ok because either you found a great guy or learned something very important in your recovery; or hopefully both.

Not sure if that makes sense, it took me forever to get it and start to do it. But i think im doing it more and more every day.
 
Eve, as you're the Original Poster (OP), you should simply request, as you have above, to keep your thread on-topic. If members continue to post off-topic and don't listen to your request, then you report their off-topic content and staff will remove them from the thread, thus removing the recurring issue. We do this for all members, however, you have to make those requests in the thread so members have the choice to respect or reject. Rejection will see them removed, no issue, just report when it occurs.

You are correct, that if members want to talk about a side issue in your thread, when you really need answers to something, they should start their own thread about the subject.

At times, an OP may not care that their thread deviates, thus allowing it to veer a natural course that discussion takes.
 
Eve, my heart goes out to you. You are by no means alone in this at all.

I was really struck by what you wrote here:
More like----punish me, punish me, PUNISH ME-----make me feel bad! I don't want to re-enact the past but I don't know how else to get rid of these feelings! I want to hurt bad. :(
Just talking here to you is grounding for me but when I think of either of them or try to work through the issues with them in my head, I start to go into extreme panic mode and my mind starts to run away emotionally. I think I need to do all I can to remove myself from it all for now, even though I hate feeling like I'm running from the problem.
It's now more of a feeling of wanting to hurt myself, by myself rather than involving another person. I don't know why I want that pain so bad-----it scares me.
All I know is that I hurt and I want to hurt more. I am crossing so many boundaries that it isn't even funny.

You can totally disregard my suggestion if it doesn't fit for you at all... but I wonder if at the core of this, it's not really about sex. The way you talk about this reminds me of how I can get with self injury. I want to punish me, and cause pain to myself. At my very darkest, I have sought out others to hurt me too.

And usually, it's because of something I'm trying to run away from or emotions that seem intolerable. Really intense impulsive urges to act out are usually about pain that the person is trying to escape or find some relief from. Sometimes, the acting out compulsive act has very little to do with the actual thing someone is trying to escape, but it's just an intense enough draw to pull them away from it.

If things were overall going great for you, and you had these urges, it would seem different to me. But throughout this thread, you describe other symptoms flaring up and other ways that you are struggling, like not eating for long periods at a time. That alone suggests that you are so desperate for pain relief, perhaps you are subconsciously (or consciously) trying to use your body to regulate. Pain is a way to regulate. It's not healthy and it is confusing - but people self injure and it causes real pain, and it also can provide some internal orgnaization and a real endorphin rush.

Sex combined with pain is an even more massive endorphin rush - and that might be what is the real draw. Especially with how you write about just wanting the pain of it.

Maybe the long term solution might lie in looking at the bigger picture. Looking at what else is happening for you right now, and even if you can't talk to your therapist about this, maybe you could tell your therapist vaguely that you have impulses to engage in what you feel are unhealthy ways of coping, you can't talk about it, but you need some help finding strong enough replacements - and to reduce the pain you are in already so you don't feel drawn to pain to regulate emotions.

I think you are wise to try to back off from it for right now, at least until it feels less impulsive and more of a thoughtful choice. Sex is a great stress reliever, but you seem to feel so frustrated with how compulsive it is for you.

Maybe try grounding whenever the urges to act out sexually come up. Or distract or engage in mindfulness techniques - even hold ice. There is also a trauma focused CBT technique that can help urges go by more quickly by "urge surfing"... Finding ways to get different safe strong sensations might help too.

And if none of this helps, or it has already been said and my brain somehow skipped over it, please disregard. I hope today is going a little easier for you.
 
@EveHarrington so what about the "good" guy friend, can you text him, call him, go out and do something with him when "creepy guy" asks for sex or you feel the need for human connection and/or touch?

Is he a friend that has possiblities of more than friends? In times like i have when i just want to be held and would end up breaking down and doing something "sexual punishment" like, maybe he is someone you can turn to without even telling him why...just that you need a friend.

I know you're overwhlemed and dont have to reply, was just throwing something out there that might help...lean on your friend(s) in those times basically.
 
I've been in a situation very similar to this and was manipulated into doing things I didn't want to do. Initially it started out as innocent curiosity in kink, but I ended up doing things I wasn't comfortable with and my boundaries were pushed, safeword often ignored. While I think kinky stuff is perfectly fine and it can be a good release of emotions, it doesn't take much for it to go from fun to something much darker and disgusting if the other person isn't respectful. I eventually had to disappear out of this person's life to make it stop, including abandoning mutual friends so they didn't know where I live or how to get my new phone number. If this "friend" of yours is coercing or manipulating you to go beyond your boundaries, get away from them fast as possible.
 
...It does seem like self-injury by proxy...and self-injury is terrifically addictive stuff...

:hug:

I had a lot of one-night-stands when I was younger.:tdown: Depressing.
...I currently am willing to engage in stuff that falls under the category of kink. I love the intensity involved? But I seem to feel GREAT about myself after doing it...
That seems to be entirely about the people whom I do it with, though!
Because those people, despite all the trappings, are treating me with respect and care.
They honor my boundaries.
That jerk treats you like crap, Eve...that's not ok.
Emotional abuse is not, not, not ok. The healthy part of you knows this.

...I want to be treated like I matter. Because I do.

It's enormously harder to treat MYSELF like I matter.

Eve, you matter.

It may be hard to believe that?
The thing is, we have to act like we matter for a bit, THEN we believe it...
 
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Just an update------

I'm still not ready to reply to individual responses but hopefully will be able to soon.

I'm sort of just spinning out of control so I decided to go into lockdown mode for the time being.

I blocked sex guy. Hopefully I can stick with it this time. Didn't meet him thank God----

I blocked my friend. I value the friendship but it's triggering those negative core beliefs that I am only good for sex. And you know what? Maybe I am only good for sex since I can't seem to make friends who like me for me, but at the end of the day I just don't want to be reminded of it. I really did try to talk it out with my friend and why it was so upsetting but he just kept brushing off what I was saying and kept turning the subject back to himself. I got annoyed and shut down.

I need to sign off now so I can hopefully keep myself grounded. If you're at all religious I'd greatly appreciate any prayers. I just need to get through the next 3 weeks and then I'll be ok.

Thank you.
 
Prayers for you to remain safe and take care of yourself. This is a very hard battle for you, and I know you are taking all the steps for self care and doing what is necessary to follow thru... very proud of you for how hard this is and you being so determined to not put yourself in that place again... sending hugs and prayers.
 
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