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Childhood Discussing The Details Of Sexual Abuse

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I think secrets are awful. Sad that most people's secrets aren't even as bad to others as they are to ourselves/ themselves.

As time passes I don't think it's the details that get to me as much as the questions. Maybe too overall how I'm left with feeling as a human being.
 
You don't have to tell details and if your therapist expects them, I'd ask her why and have a conversation on that first.

There are a couple issues here, with this idea of spilling it all. First, it helps to talk and tell what happened because it decreases the shame and burden of keeping it a secret. So I think that's the main reason to tell what happened, whether generally or in more detail. But the question I have is does that cure the trauma? Not really. Healing might come from some amount of telling (no details necessary) in order to have your experience understood and validated, but also to be able to feel safe through all of it, maybe scared but not re-traumatized.

But the bigger issue in healing is how we work with most of our symptoms (and for many of us with childhood trauma, our symptoms are not dependent on even having clear detailed or picture-like memories...narrative type memories are often very lacking): likely any of us with PTSD or CPTSD are dealing with a lot of nervous system dysregulation that isn't cured by telling details. If not handled well, those details just spin us into deeper dysregulation. So ideally we work with the symptoms and taking care of our selves: self care, grounding, staying present (vs dissociating) managing the body responses and stress while sharing what we can, and also finding other outlets for all the trauma energy (just talking doesn't cut it for me personally).

I'm working with a body psychotherapist who primarily uses Somatic Experiencing along with other methods to meet me where I'm at. In SE, it is made pretty clear that the details of our stories are not crucial to our healing. I am not sure where that idea started, but I assume it's rooted in the belief that sharing the whole story will relieve us of shame, which is important. If that feels true for anyone personally, hopefully they are working with a therapist who can help them structure therapy in a way that allows them to share details only if they first feel safe and have done a lot of recovery work (grounding, regulation, self care, safe therapeutic relationship) aside from this idea of details.

If anything details should come quite late into therapy. So much potential for losing ground if the belief is you must start out by sharing your whole story. I go mute, dissociate, and self destruct if too triggered. Not helpful and healing or even connection to my therapist just stops. That all had to be worked around slowly in tiny pieces and waves. The idea in SE is that this trauma "charge" is let down slowly and carefully. This makes a lot of sense because I have A LOT more nervous system "charge" than I have details of all trauma in my memory. Some of my details are very fuzzy at best.

I'm glad your therapist was willing to leave it alone when you froze up. Sounds like she gets it.

We spend a lot of my time working on body work and learning tools for staying present, which makes sense to me given my past.

That sounds very good, and likely more empowering to you right now.
 
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Thanks , all. It seems we agree it is not necessary.

Sometimes, I get caught up in the idea that we're supposed to trudge through the details. Maybe Ive seen too many movies. Not something my therapist has insisted upon and after 3 years with her, Ive managed to reveal most of the trauma in general terms which I think gave her a good understanding of what's going on with me.

@Chava, SE body work is finally starting to make sense. It seems so slow and laborious and my thoughts sometimes go back to " but when do we go back to picking at my relationship with my mother?" But maybe we never need to do that if it isn't keeping me up at night. It appears that dealing with the symptoms as you stated is key to coping and learning how life is supposed to feel. Im learning about my different states of mind. Hoping the fleeting moments of being present will some day be the norm.
 
It appears that dealing with the symptoms as you stated is key to coping and learning how life is supposed to feel

Yes, I think so. And I'm a very impatient, fix--it--now sort of person. I've come to really appreciate this as a process. I had traumas from day one, so everything is effected. And honestly I have to remind myself that fast progress isn't good for me. I don't have a strong sense of self anyway. Rapid change would totally unground me. It takes time to peal away the layers and work with new tools confidently and long enough to ditch the old ones. Definitely a process and I am forever grateful for process-oriented therapy.
 
p.s. my therapist knows some details and some "fuzzy-at-best" details (too icky for me to post online). But she never pushes for them. They just come up, unfortunately when I'm drunk and willing to see this shit, and I send her drunk e-mails. NOT ideal. But we have a good enough connection that I feel like I can face her at the next appointment. We could go into those details if I wanted to, but she's always interested in what I need. I was incredibly uncomfortable today and needed to get more comfortable in my body. I stretched, did some angry scribbling and kicking, then curled into a ball. Basically, let anger out to a manageable degree, then reminded my body that I do have the choice to stop when it feels intense and go back to safety. It's not easy, but it feels like a safe approach. Aside from me getting drunk....but I blame my abuse of ambien...definitely a set up for a former alcoholic. Booo
 
I feel compelled to write the stuff out? But that's because ( a ) I repressed it for a long time and ( b ) It 's just surreal to realize...I ( we ) had a semi-normal life over here.... And this very bizarre stuff going on that I had to split into a group of people to survive, going on at night.

It's just bizarre, so I guess plowing through it's part of our process in here. Do what you feel like you need to?
I hope you don't have to. It's not fun.

Thank you for asking a good question!
 
Maybe it also depends on the volume of memories? My memories are very fragmented and I'm sure more happen that I remember, I know it happened regularly and based on the known timeline it's clear that I've "lost memories".

There is one icky thing which stands out for me (some days it's also "hidden" from me) and one day I believe I have to tell me T to heal, but that day is not near. But there are other things that happened, similar repeated events, and I think I would only need to share one of these, not go through them one by one, and the finer details don't matter.
 
This thread is very interesting to me because I have been reviewing some parts of my early life a lot lately. I was seriously physically abused by my father starting with broken bones when I was two and other events including near death in later years. What I have been trying to deny all of my life is that I was also sexually abused by my father's mother, my grandmother. I am very uncomfortable talking about it and have tried to somehow ignore it all of my life. Lately with the major increase in my PTSD I have found that I can no longer deny it. The type of abuse she did to me has affected my view of sex all my life. It is only recently that I have become fully aware of just how much it has affected me.

I was also raped at the age of 16 while I was still virgin. And yes, it is very possible to rape a male, especially when he is a teen who most mornings wakes up with the usual sleeping erection but then on one morning wakes to find an older married woman "sitting" on his penis. That event destroyed the plan my first real girlfriend and I had made to give our virginity to each other the next weekend. I still think about it from time to time and it still bothers me greatly when I do.

I have not told my therapist any details about my sexual abuse and I am not sure I will. She is an outstanding therapist and I fully trust her emotionally but I just don't know if I want to go into the details with anybody. I was married for 44 years and never told my ex wife about it. I don't know if it would be of any benefit to me to discuss it with anyone. I am especially bothered by the fact that the abuse began to feel good over time even though I did not want it to happen. I eventually told my grandmother to never do it again or I would tell my grandfather what she was doing to me. That ended it. I was about six years old by that time.
 
I'm so sorry that you experienced all of this, Evan. I hope that youve shared this general description with your therapist.
We CSA survivors carry a certain specific bucket of symptoms and it would help both of you for her to know.

It took me 9 therapists to even get to the point where I mentioned it. I was keeping that vault so protected. It was a relief to finally let this one know, yes, something happened to me.
 
At the age of 65 I still find it impossible to understand why people would ever mistreat children the way that some do. That especially applies to parents and other family members. It just doesn't make any sense. As far as I am concerned it must represent a type of severe mental disorder. I was finally able to leave home when I turned 16 because at that age the police would no longer force you to return to your home. When I was finally able to leave I swore to my self that I would never abuse or hurt another person in any way under any circumstance other than self defence.

I have kept that vow and it also applies to all animals. In the 45 years my ex wife and I were together I never touched her in anger and the same applies to our children. My wife left me on our 44th anniversary because she didn't like living with a man that was ill.

I still don't understand that either. I used to love her but she suddenly became a woman I do not even know. That was almost exactly six months ago and I still cry about it almost every single day. I finally decided yesterday it was about time I go back to church which I haven't done since I was a teen. That was the right thing for me to do. I can trust everyone there emotionally and even though it made my cry during the service they held a healing prayer for me. I think this is going to help. Nothing else seems to be doing much good. I have had a very few days where I have felt very good recently. I wish they would continue but so far it turns out to be just a couple of days and then it falls back on me.

I hope you are able work with your current therapist as well as I do with mine. I am extremely lucky to have the one I do. She is one of the best people I know. She is very well aware what PTSD involves. She is married to a man with PTSD who is also very much the same type of person I am including the Engineering Asperger type I am. She understands me perfectly. My biggest problem is the type of brain damage I have from strokes I had that make it nearly impossible to control my emotions. At least I never become violent, only very sad and depressed. I was finally starting to do very well but then my wife abandoned me.
 
I don't understand how adults can do what they do to others, let alone children or animals. Except being treated horrifically themselves. (Not that that justifies it in any way though, of course). :(
 
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