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DID Dissociative identity - creating alters for other people

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@shimmerz
Yea, I get it. In relationship I literarly go all or nothing. Which doesnt always work. Making a bad relationship good in my mind. And I dont realize and accept its bad till its done.
 
practice grounding out of it, and try to make them less efficient, rise your personality strength. You have some wolves battling in you, and the one that you feed the most will win :hug:

I´m trying to not engage with the imaginary guy, this is like day three. I´m having a hard time though. Everytime I feel alone or sad I have to remind myself that I can deal with this by myself because I have that kind of strength, but it is taking a lot. I don´t want to return to being a kid who needs an imaginary friend to survive but apparently I hate being an adult who has to carry themselves on their shoulders.

I've also deliberately associated songs and other reminders in the environment with people who I've obsessed over. I think I've de-fused them all now.

Yeah it´s like that too, when I am really focused on them instead of on me, I start to associate certain kinds of music, certain kinds of food, certain objects, certain moods, certain way of thinking - to them. So when I feel a specific way it´ll remind me of them and I think that´s a major problem with the thing where I feel I do not retain an individual identity. Because I associate myself with their identity instead of with my own. So it makes sense that if you do that systematically, you´d end up feeling like you had no identity and they had all the power.

I guess I need to continue trying to destract myself in the moments where I feel like I need a "patron" of sorts to help me feel safe, and remember that I am safe anyway because I can provide for myself. It´s so embedded in my system though, I have been employing this mechanism since like age two when I got my first teddybear who would be my friend.

@shimmerz I´m glad I could help you reflect on what´s been a challenge for you. Yes I do think that a lack of sense of self causes us to fight rather than "relax back" and "let go". I have thought of it as a mountain you run in to. If you run into a mountain, it doesn´t help to continue to stand in front of it and yell at it. Instead, you rely on your own resources and creativity, and you trust in your own ability that you can continue your journey on an easier path (around the mountain if necessary).

Even trying to think about this makes me space.
*blinking* *ground control to Radise*. :O_o:

I think I have learned to dissociate from myself from a very young age because first, I was never any good according to them, and second because I learned it was safer not to be present. But what do you do when you cannot rely on yourself for support (because you have become completely absent), you rely on others for support. And when others aren´t available, you make up your own support. Which is good. But for me it´s enabling dissociation from myself and that´s not what I need. I need to come back.

I get really excited + freaked out if someone seems to care about me... I distance myself and in my distance I seem to create a better version of the relationship, where I can't f*ck it up, because I'm not really there.

I can relate to that a lot. I do the exact same thing, up to that point. I meet someone, I focus on "wow, they seem to be offering Exactly What I Have Been Missing" (a caring paternal figure most often). In the case of the "negative" personalities (the ones who turn on me and become enemies), they tend to be authoritative in some way (even when trying to be benevolent), and posing as if they knew "what´s best for me".

So (just following my own train of thought here) I seem to be drawn to both the positive and the negative versions of paternalistic authority, on the one hand the ones who care and listen, and on the other hand, I tend to get overwhelmed by the ones who pretend to have by best interest at hand, but are really just trying to use this to make themselves feel like they are really important.

My dad used to have a complex authority issue in the sense of his authority was null (really null) when he was living with my mother, she walked all over him and I think he felt constantly emasculated, an emasculation which later reared it´s ugly head when my mother left and I tried to coexist with him. He was extremely controlling (extremely in the sense of countaing toilet paper leaves and watching how much peanut butter I put on my bread).

He was extremely mistrusting, I couldn´t do anything right ever, I was this huge rebelling teen that was probably on drugs and whose brain could not be trusted because it had clearly (in his opinion) been scrambled by his tyrant of an ex-wife, who had tried to screw him over and when she didn´t succeed, she screwed over his kid (so in a lot of ways, he was the real victim in all of this).

In a way I hate myself for seeking out these authoritative paternal figures, even if they are nothing like my dad and have absolutely good intentions. It´s some weird kind of dependency thing that I had going as a child, when my dad pretended to be The Savior who Saved Me From My Evil Mother. :banghead: But I hated that he did that. So why do I need some kind of Hero now? I just don´t get it.
 
@Radise
Just reading this... Thinking... Why do we get so f*cked up and over by life. I havent had this question in my mind in a while. I've just been fighting, constantly struggling, too much to even think why.. And I still don't know why
 
That @sealben is the huge, huge, huge question
What bits of mindf*ckery cost us our functionality, and left us prey to all of the later shit, that folks without trauma just don't fall prey to.
 
Don´t give up guys.

People might have f*cked us up but that doesn´t make us lesser persons. I think in a lot of ways we are inclined to think this, but it´s simply not true.
I really liked the video about the SuperBetter thing in Simply Simon´s thread, Jane (in the video) was talked about "post traumatic growth" rather than post traumatic stress disorder. She also numbered the top five regrets people have on their deathbed; and then she said that people who experience post traumatic growth actually achieve the five things that were named (which were basically about living life in courage, without letting others tell you how to live it, and with compassion for yourself and others).

Her approach is very positive and that´s the only approach that works in processing traumatic experience.

I am not this PTSD-Slayer (although in some ways I actually am) but while I am on the soap box I´ve got to say these past two months were very much about the victimization role for me and how to start letting go of that, along with a lot of resentment. This whole read is also about victimization for me, because it´s essentially about giving up your power (because you learned to do so). You can unlearn that kind of behavior.
 
So, if I understand correctly, then you subconsciously create a new alter within yourself when you encounter people that you're either keen to understand or that you're not wanting to let go of. It makes sense to me.

I found myself experiencing a lot of unintended switching for a long time. One of the things that I did which may or may not be worth considering is that I used roleplaying games as a forum where I could consciously construct alters for myself (decide what character to play), and they could interact with a world (an imagined world). I could also then put those alters away when I stopped playing the character. If you do it subconsciously and can't control it, then it might be helpful to start doing it consciously. That way, you know what it feels like when you're doing it, and that's a very useful first step towards control.
 
The role playing game idea is really interesting

I guess that children's play ( more girls play than boys) is an environment where things can be tried in sort of safety.

Some of NLP allows you to construct safe containers in your imagination, that can allow you to go near trauma memories in safety, things like playing the memory on a really crappy old b&w TV set, with you imagining that you're sat in a safe and calming place, holding the remote control.

I'd never thought of role playing games fulfilling that role.
Thanks
 
@Anarchy
Yea, roleplaying games are a really nice thing. The thing is, as my theraphist also says and agrees, it's not good to get too much into it. I spent years living dissociated, partly in a fantasy world in my mind to protect myself from all the pain outside. I still really love roleplay, but, not get too much into it... I would really love to roleplay though (even starting a project on that)
 
The thing is, as my theraphist also says and agrees, it's not good to get too much into it.

I think that applying a structure to it helps with this. The session starts and you enter the fantasy world. The session ends, and you leave the fantasy world. Outside of sessions, you might think about the fantasy world and the characters, but you do that as the player, not as the character.
 
I figured that's the kind of fear you were feeling - which is why I pointed to a safety net :)

If you do it in a face-to-face group, then you have to get out of the house (or have guests over), resolve in-character and out-of-character disagreements... it's quite a de-isolating experience.
 
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