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I know you're up for a fight, but aren't you entitled to half of well, everything? Please don't let him bully you into giving it all up. He wants you to believe that you should just let him have it all, but that's not how it works.

Please let your lawyer know EVERYTHING. Even how he blackmails you into paying taxes on money he gives to his well over 18 daughter. (I don't know much about the law, but I don't think you had to pay taxes on everything you declared as "income" as she's past the child support age!....well, unless you're claiming her as a dependent, but I'm guessing not as most professional students are independent for loan purposes....but I digress!)

The truth is that you ARE strong enough to stand up to him. If you're strong enough to survive with PTSD, I know you're strong enough to stand up to these abusive people in your life.
 
Cat-that is horrible but I do know there are people like that. They are ruthless.

Lizio you are not blunt-I know that you are right in everything you say. I clearly sense how you relate. Three years ago I broke up with a fellow who put a gun to my head during his depression and loosing his good job. I felt safer with him that I do my daughter and ex. I cant wrap my head around it. His behavior was blatent and intolerable and clear. This has been insidious and crazy making for me. How long have you been away from ex if you dont mind my asking?

SOL-I am entitled to half and attorney said lifetime alimony because I am fully disable on social security and only get $800 month. Husband earns $80,000. I think she said I would get half of all plus about 1500 month most likely. She also said that what he is claiming as alimony is illegal but then I got scared because if he gets in trouble, I could too, and he would not pay bills that he has been paying for me. I dont claim daughter anymore. I did in the past. That is why he never paid any child support, just alimony in the form of paying utilities and stuff-not cash for me to chose how to use.

I am so confused. I feel both angry and guilty at the same time. A therapist told me that when one feels this, they are dealing with a passive aggressive person. I believe this. It is amazing how seemingly good people can be so deviant.
 
I've been officially separated since October 2011.

Yes, I think, the insidious, crazy making abuse is the one that causes the most damage, hence it is crazy making. And yes, angry and guilty is how you feel when dealing with such deviant people who, to the rest of the World, project such a perfect caring image that no-one believes that they are capable of what they did and you are the one who looks the crazy one, because you have been driven crazy.

This is why cutting them out of your life altogether is so important because these crazy making people just fog you so much and confuse you till you cannot think for yourself or believe in your own truth. Trust in yourself, you have been right and your ex H and daughter are abusive, believe in yourself and don't believe anything they say. Go by actions not words is one of the best things my psychologist has told me. Words are so easy to manipulate with.

That is what is so good over here in Australia, in order to get your equivilant of social security when you separate you have to make a claim via the child support agency and they evaluate how much your ex must pay and can even collect it for you. So that means the ex has to pay child support and you decide how the money is used, he has no power over that. Having said this, I am still living in the family home and he pays part of the mortgage. I cannot figure out how to get independent of him without working and my anxiety and depression plus looking after 3 young kids each one of which has health issues has stopped me from doing that. Even with working I just don't know if I will be able to keep myself together and do all of this. BUT I keep minimum contact with him now. I will not let him control any of my life anymore.

The more you start to take your power back and get away from this abuse, the clearer you will become. I still feel angry, but not guilty. No more guilt, that is how they get you and control you. I know I was becoming crazier and crazier and that impacted my kids, but now I am putting that behind and working to get the best I can. You have nothing to feel guilty about.
 
Brat17 the situation you live in is intolerable. The abuse you are putting up with is intolerable. I am barracking for you! The others are right you are entitled to half and you need to get out! Good luck!
 
This may be inappropriate on the forum, I hope not. I am not good at asking for what I need, but I am asking for support from my friends who are healthy and in my life. Very hard for me.

I don't think this is inappropriate, maybe even start a PC if you want to take this thread off-topic. It's rather good that you feel strong enough to ask for the support you need and over come some fears with it.

Good for you. :tup:
 
One of the really sad parts of this whole scenaria for me is that my daughter has been like a best friend to me at times. She has apologized for past abuses and apologized. She is not the unreasonable witch she was during the first apx 6 yrs of seperation. However, her maturity seem to come with my financial settlement and my having money in the bank. The first thing I did was purchase a really good bed that was expensive and it was the best investment that I ever made. However, right after delivery I had surgery and my oldest daughter from first marriage was here and this daughter went nuts screaming about how much I paid for my bed and what an idiot I am. My oldest daughter is not around much and never knew this was going on. She said her sister scared her. The youngest daughter, now 23, moved out and married a mormon boy as soon as she graduated high school. She was berated, pushed around, made fun of, etc by her sister. They use to be close but have had not contact in 5 years. They were 18 months apart and very close when little. I invited the 23 yr old and her husband to Thanksgiving but when I told the 25 yr old, she said-thats fine but I wont speak to them. The younger one is very religious now, but has always been very loving, forgiving, and passive and peaceful.

I have girlfriends since 9th grade that I love dearly and still occassionally get together (less often because I feel so inhumane its hard hearing all the good going on while being abused), but they are there. I have several friends over past 20 years that we have just drifted, some moved away and we stay in touch rarely, but no animosity or hard feelings or anything. My daughter has NO girlfriends. She will have a best friend for awhile, then she gets another and the first and her have a big falling out and I get the sense that she is really mean following the fall out. A couple months ago, she was considering going to the Law School Dean and attempting to have past friend committed because she made statement about wanting to die. I just wonder how much she bullies other people.

Up until this last blow up, we could still have hours of great conversation. It all rotates around her boyfriend though. He is 27. School is over an hour away and she would come home every weekend and holidays. He is a marathon runner and when they started dating 7 yrs ago she was 120 pound soccer player. Now she is about 250. I think something has happened for her to gain this weight like this. I think she is very unhappy. She berates her sister for taking on husbands religion calling her dependent, but I suspect she fears loosing this boyfriend desperately and so she accomodates him. She professes to be very independent, not wanting marriage or children. He is a college drop out and works for $10 hr at hospital-lost his athletic scholarship. He has no motivation beyond running and golf and a nicer car. He lives at home with parents of course with no living expenses.

Anyway, she was much nicer when I had a savings account. Every month I was giving her money. Sometimes it was borrowed but not paid back of course. At Christmas, I would end up giving her about $1000 for her to by gifts for others (boyfriend, dad, grandma). Then we would go shopping and she would want tons of stuff. If I didnt give it, there was hell to pay. Then I started playing slot machines too and have blown some. That was my escape. I also had to pay for 2 surgeries and many home repairs. Once my savings was depleted, she has no patience at all for me, she is not as outwardly abusive usually-but sometimes screaming at me and berating. More often in a tactful pushy manner.

Anybody that I have dated, she has attempted to drive crazy too. They have said she is abusive and when they would hear her go off on me, she would tell them to get out-not their house, etc. I have made some poor choices in men, but I know for a fact that she did things and blamed it on them. She simply did not want me to have any outlets or supports. But she is my daughter, not my husband, and how do you divorce your daughter? I know I have to make that seperation. Maybe I need to tell myself no contact for one year and make her aware of this too. Then see how I feel. I am not having contact with her now and will not, as she is studying for the bar exam and I do not want to be blamed for her failing it. I do feel that when this is over, I want her to get her belongings out of my home and have a plan for no contact for a period. I am just rolling this around in my head and I would love any input or advice. At times I do not know if I am rational in my thinking. Im trying to use my brain and not my heart. I know that no contact will be painful but is probably necessary.

I know that you all can see things clearer than I do. Its hard to tell what I am responsible for and what others are responsible for.

Lizio it sounds like you have come such a long way in just 2 years. It seems that you are seeing things clear. I know that the direction of our life is dictated by our beliefs, doesnt matter if those beliefs are real or imagined. I am betting the beliefs change with steps forward and away from toxicity. Thank you for so much support. You are very inspiring.
 
Today started with my daughter calling me about a piece of mail and wanting to debate. I declined.

Then about 4 pm, her father shows up and wants to talk about stuff and see a repair that was done. He invades my boundaries and I was first kind of frozen. Then I finally asked him why he keeps wanting to hang on to someone as miserable as I am. He does not have an answer. I just look at him and can tell that he has no empathy and enjoys seeing me this way. He says our daughter "tells" on him because she does not want us to get back together. He leaves mad.

I am just having such a difficult time doing anything. I get a little distance then something else. There is always going to be something else. I dont know how to ever seperate from them or have any peace. I feel so hopeless. I just thought I got past the SI and am feeling it again. It seems that there is no life after this. It feels like things will never get better. I just dont feel strong enough to make it through this.
 
You will get through this it will get better. Great start by not debating with your daughter. That is what she wanted. Put the phone down and don't argue or be pulled in. Once they pull you in it is too late.

Your ex H has no right to turn up out of the blue without warning. Do not let him in and call the Police if he tries to come in. He is invading your boundaries. Don't let him do it anymore. Email him and tell him he is not to come to the house without prior notification. That is it. He does not have the right.

That is very telling he still thinks he wants to get back with you and he thinks his daughter "tells" on him. That is a very childish, pathetic attitude. You have to make it clear you do not and will never get back with him it is nothing to do with your daughter. This man is a wimp, blaming his daughter for telling on him, that is pathetic. The only way is to set clear boundaries and not let him violate them.

You don't have to ask him why he wants to stay with you and put yourself down that way, it makes you look like you are the weak one and why would he ever want anything so weak because he is so much better than you. You are giving him power by saying that. He is weak, you are strong and know what is right for you, not him. It is not his choice. It is yours to say you do not need him and you don't want him. You do that by setting clear boundaries and when he breaks them you state very clearly he has broken that boundary and you are not going to let him do that. He does not have the right to just turn up, with the excuse of checking some work that has been done. I did this myself and was letting my ex H in the house but now he is banned from the house, he tried to break that but he knows I will call the Police now and he knows I know my rights and will act on them. You have to be prepared to act, they will push.

Sure he will leave Mad. So whay, he is an angry pathetic person who gets mad when he doesn't get his way. Good you no longer have him in your house. He can throw a temper tantrum and strop about somewhere else. He does not have that power over you anymore.

This is so complicated by staying in that house. Get free of that house, it is holding you down. Your kids are independent, you can move on now. That will give you strength. I know it is so difficult trying to drag yourself and not trusting in yourself, but it is possible and there are so many on here who have done it and gone through this. Things will get better.

Everytime I have to deal with my ex H it drains me. The less contact the better and that means finding the strength to get those boundaries and keep them there. It is hard building that wall, brick by brick, but once it is there you are safe behind it and they cannot break it. Then you can relax and heal. One brick at a time until you have a huge impenetrable wall. It will happen. You made a start today.
 
Lizio you are so wise. I already did debate and got drug in. I know it is stupid but I did. I know better. I feel like an idiiot for engaging at all with either of them. Its always more of the same. My words are getting harsh to. I am in panic and fear that I will have no money or internet or lights.

You are right on with every word you speak. He is a weak wimp, and that is how I lost all respect for him. He is so passive aggressive and he is the most boring man that I have ever met in my life. He says the stupidest stuff. He said to me "the tile is looking pretty, almost as pretty as you" and I wanted to vomit. There is nothing genuine that comes out of his mouth. If he is speaking, he is lying.

Even though he is so pathetic, I still feel very weak. I am weak physically and mentally and emotionally. I feel so drained and this divorce has not even started. I told him I wanted money from our annuity to pay my attorney. He said "we'll see". Attorneys wont take case without payment I dont think.

When he doesn't get his way he gets mean. He does not want to share, he wants it all, not that there is much. His true color comes out.

It feels like there will never be peace, that I will never be able to relax and heal but I know you are probably right and I am holding on to your words.

Thank you so much Lizio. You have been through this and know what is ahead. I use to be a strong person. I feel like I am not even the person that I was. I dont know who I am right now. I dont even believe some of the things that come out of my own mouth. I feel so blind sided. Thank you Lizio
 
Brat. It is not stupid. You cannot expect perfect or even near perfect yet. Years of being caught up with them means we are set in this pattern and it is so hard to pull away. Worst thing is to think of yourself as stupid or failing. You are not stupid or failing, you are in a process of learning how to do this and this is VERY HARD.

I know I cannot engage with my ex H. That is why I avoid him at all costs. As soon as I engage, I am pulled in. That is why the boundaries are so important. I only contact by email as much as possible. And, if he emails with something inappropriate I just ignore now.

Worst thing is to talk to them, they always pull you in. Don't feel a failure because of it. Just try and remember next time. As I said it is too late when you talk to them you are drawn in. That is why I know I cannot do it and don't as much as I can. But I have failed many times but I am getting better now, I have learnt from my previous engagements with him that I get pulled in. In fact the good thing is being able to see now what happens, whereas before I could not, I just got completely confused. I know I will never be strong enough to engage with him like that but I don't have to. And I won't.

This is not weak. Yes you are weak physically and emotionally from being abused for so long and it will take a long time to recover, but you are now seeing the truth. HE IS WEAK and he is not seeing it. You are seeing it which means you now have the power. You are sick from being abused for so long. Just remember that.

It is your annuity too. You have the right to it. He cannot stop you getting that money. It is not his right to say "We'll see" He is just trying to scare you again. Get advice from Citizen's advice or women's shelter they can advise you about legal services and I am sure there are some that would not take payment until settlement.

He is not stupid. He knows if you go to lawyers and start fighting it he will end up with less money. You are in a massively good position here. The courts will award you half or more. If it goes to courts there will be less money because of the legal costs and he will be worse off. The power he has over you is your fear. You will have money. You will have internet and lights. Do not panic about that. That is what he is using to hold the power over you. Look, living in the tiniest studio is better than living like this. You can go to the library and get free access to the internet. No lights, use candles! But it won't come to that, that is your fear in your head, that he is using to control you.

He has to share. He cannot not share. It is the law. He is more panicked than you, I bet but it comes out in anger and mean and threats about keeping it all. He cannot do that. It is all threats. Don't fall for it. Anger is from fear. Fear controls.

Brat I don't know who I am right now either. I feel weak and stupid and dumb and failing. I am not the person I was. And I don't believe some of the things that come out of my mouth either, but that is the panic taking over. I am the same. But I am better than I was and I am getting better.

It was Hell on earth with him. It is not easy now and I have so many downs and don't believe I will get there either. And I panic so much about money and how I will ever get where I need to. That is part of the process. There are huge hurdles and I go down on lots of them. But then I pick myself up. I don't know who I will become but I am becoming stronger. That I know. You have to get past the panics. They just pull you down.

Believe others when they tell you you can do this. Don't believe the panic. That is why it is so important to have someone there to spur you on. You can't see clearly in the panic and the abuser takes advantage of that.
 
I have spent the last week going to the dr for anti depressants, going to a pain clinic for shots 2 hrs away, and picking up the phone and trying to re-connect with good friends. I made a date with a good friend to spend this Monday together for some girl time. I told her I need a shove, or kick in the pants to move forward.

This week I will contact attorneys to see what can be done. I have trouble with executive function which includes prioritizing. So I find myself easily distracted or procrastinating. It is so hard to just pick up the phone and make a call at time, most of the time. But I know that I need to get him in court right away for an emergency spousal support agreement. For the judge to say what he will do. Whatever it is, it will be better than being at his mercy and putting up with his smug face.

You sound so strong and like you have it together Lizio. I know you are not a weak woman. I admire you. I am going to try not to panic as you have indicated. It is his trying to bully me. You will get better too. I feel your strength. I sure do second guess in the time of panic, I am confused, life is a blur, I think I am an awful witch. I think it is because of past abuse, I end up thinking I am a complete defective person, and that thinking makes me want to die. I wont do that though, then he would win. I really thinks that he thinks if he pushes hard enough I will off myself. I am weak but will work on it one day at a time. I am going to try to go to church in the morning, have been trying for 2 weeks but failed. Thanks for all of the kind words. You should be proud of how far you have come.
 
This is good. You are doing all the right things. You have a mission and you are planning and working to get there. Distraction and procrastination are all part of the depression. Sometimes I cannot pick up that phone, other times I just push myself and do it and then I can.

Girl time with friends is essential. Sounds like you have a good base of friends that is good.

No I am not weak anymore but, like you I have so much in my head that pulls me to negative and criticising myself and looking at all my failures and weaknesses because of past abuse. Panic just brings it all together in one horrible mesh of negative thoughts and then that pulls you right down and yes it makes you want to die because you just don't think you can take anymore or are worth suriviving.

But I will say that after the panic and real downs sometimes I think so much clearer that it is like shock therapy. I have gone all the way down and suddenly I am able to pull myself up and start thinking and doing stuff. Like I have been in the tornado and then got to the eye where it is calm and I am able to prepare myself and build up strength for the next bit of the tornado to come, but somehow going through the tornado has made me stronger mentally, even though I am exhausted. Just hope the tornado season starts to end soon!

He cannot push you anymore. Remember that. He is no longer going to have that power. He will not win. He is the weak one. He will try to fluff up his feathers, but underneath he is a naked chicken.
 
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