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Do you train...your parasympathetic nervous system?

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DG, during EMDR my therapist installed a safe place. One that includes smells, tastes, a word, sound a smell. The smell comes from an old school coconut suntan lotion. So that smell can also trigger in me a deep sense of well being...the feeling I train every day.
 
In the above scenario, what do you do when you come back to the present? I mean I know what you are saying during fight flight I've been lucky to have people scream at me loud enough to snap me out of it before my ass hit the door. Do you have situations where you feel yourself becoming less regulated? If you don't mind me asking.

I have my dog that brings me back down and back to reality. My kids used to yell at me from across the room if I had a flashback before getting my dog. Most of my flashbacks come from smells. I can feel it coming sometimes. Other times I can’t, luckily my dog senses it much better than I do. Truthfully my service dog has been what has allowed me to have somewhat of a “normal” life again. That combined with finding a medication combination that works for me.


you guys are talking about different things. Good info otherwise...you have a tone of info...how long have you been fighting PTDS?

It’s actually the same thing. Parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system work in tandem with each other like yin/yang. Parasympathetic controls normal everyday things and also brings sympathetic back down after the threat is gone. Sympathetic controls things when the proverbial “shit hits the fan.” They are both autonomic in nature.

As for how long I have been fighting this PTSD monster, I am knocking on the door of 20 years. I bottled it up for a long time and self medicated. Had never found anything that could beat me but eventually PTSD got the best a couple years ago.
 
Had never found anything that could beat me but eventually PTSD got the best a couple years ago.

(Pardon the OT MrM, please.)

(Cough) Changed your functioning...
Didn't *beat* you. :cool:

Besides, you acquired a new super reliable teammate, who truly gets you, has your 6, and doesn't bitch even through daily hard work (yeah I mean TheDoggo)...

I call wins on all lanes. ;)
 
(Pardon the OT MrM, please.)

(Cough) Changed your functioning...
Didn't *beat* you. :cool:

Besides, you acquired a new super reliable teammate, who truly gets you, has your 6, and doesn't bitch even through daily hard work (yeah I mean TheDoggo)...

I call wins on all lanes. ;)

Ok, ok, didn’t beat me but made me do a forward assault to the rear to regroup. ????
 
The massage therapy discovery was a result of a bartering community I discovered in a near by town. A happy accident I guess you could call it, @MrMoonlight . It is set up where participants exchange hours/goods/services rather than cash. It allowed me to dip my toes into several arenas I wouldn't have otherwise had access to. Prior to that, I always thought massage was like getting your nails done, just a luxury that was in no way necessary, which is what I'd been taught from childhood.

Prior to meeting a massage therapist within that arena, as well as my first neurofeedback/acupuncture practitioners, master herbalists, master gardeners, etc., I had only had very unpleasant massage experiences. Leaving me feeling as if I'd been in a bar room brawl the the day after and never really helping me feel relaxed, but rather making me feel on guard even more. Initially I was seeking pain relief, and damn sure didn't find it in those other places, but eventually discovered that relieving the various pains helped me clear mental space to help myself in other ways, too. These were pains that medical practitioners repeatedly told me they could not find the roots of and just wanted to keep masking by medicating rather than eliminating.

I discovered someone who was trauma informed, highly trained, extremely mindful, incredibly patient, and amazingly effective in helping me fully relax and allow myself to be touched by a stranger at my pace with every comfort-inducing tool I needed compassionately in place. It was a very gradual progression in which I started out fully clothed in a tank top and shorts, as I couldn't handle the thought of being nude and vulnerable in any way, shape or form. It took several sessions to finally feel comfortable enough to fully disrobe. I am always in the room alone when I do, and the sheet covers every part of my body except for what is being massaged in the moment. There's no uncomfortable exposure or touch ever occurring that makes me feel uneasy. That was a huge step based on my trauma history.

My initial therapist relocated, but I was twice fortunate in finding one even more attentive to trauma responses/needs, pain relief, and more active in her continuing education across the board, and then some. She provides Swedish, ashiatsu, acupressure, myofascial release, deep tissue, trigger point, craniosacral, and reflexology, as well as having a warming amethyst bio-mat on the table for each session. She also incorporates various forms of sound healing and aromatherapy during each session.

I haven't been able to go the last two and a half months, and counting, because it isn't deemed essential. My body, after a couple years of once a month appointments, or at least once every other month, begs to differ. My fascia is pissed and my functional flow is definitely interrupted. Part of me still feels guilty for being able to experience the benefits at all because I know so many others who suffer worse than I do and don't have access. Another part tries to convince me I somehow earned the right to receive compassionate relief being offered to me via many hellish paths it took to get there. Mental tug of war sucks.

Our governor refers to the professional therapeutic practices as massage parlors, and as we all very well know, language/words can quickly create a judgement call that instantly block a lot of folks from ever learning anything beyond the pre-programmed perception of the terminology alone. Many commenters responding to the article in which he called them that referred to massage parlors as being the old school rub and tug type of establishments, which lead to many others harshly discrediting all of them.

Here's a few links I found helpful that take a look at how massage therapy helps multiple body systems, how it can help ease anxiety and panic disorder, and the trauma-informed massage skills from a massage therapist's point of view, if you're interested:

Effects of Massage on Body Systems: Muscular, Nervous, Circulatory ...

How Therapeutic Massage Can Help Ease Anxiety

These 4 Essential Skills Will Help You Practice Trauma-Informed Massage
 
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installed a safe place. One that includes smells, tastes, a word, sound a smell. The smell comes from an old school coconut suntan lotion. So that smell can also trigger in me a deep sense of well being...the feeling I train every day.
That's right. That's how to hack the parasympathetic. Find things that cause the body to be eased. Once they are found engineer life to revolve around those things. Love the sound of birds? Go out for a walk in the morning and really listen to the birds. That could be an hour of possible hell that you have taken control over and engineered to be calming and peaceful. Sooner than not you will notice as you walk out to the car at 2 pm that the birds are singing then too! And you will focus on them.

Take pictures, cook something you love, converse with people who are supportive and kind, do slow stretching, learn something new on udemy, do things for the love of it rather than to maintain safety.

The inbreath as I understand it taps into the parasympathetic, the outbreath to sympathetic. I focus on my inbreath the moment I feel rattled. I count slowly to 5 and try to imagine that 'safe place' you speak about your T installing in you. On the outbreath I image chaos being sent out with the breath.

Keep finding things that help you tap into calm. Calm releases body freezing, trains the brain to attune to peaceful and not chaos, gets the heartbeat and breathing in synch and at ease. Before you know it things will drastically improve in day to day experiences.
 
Yes constantly. I got some success a few years ago and I never stopped trying after that. “I am that” is a free book that has the collected discourses of a yogi. I think the idea had occurred to me before, but when I read him I understood it enough to attempt it.

The basic idea for me is what if nothing were wrong right now. Then it grows into, I can say there is nothing wrong anytime I want, even if I’m dying. (Because everyone does). What if everything were right on time, just like it’s supposed to? What if I didn’t have to worry about when I was going to die because I can’t do anything about it anyway?

But yes, it’s training, practice, mindfulness.
Is there anything that’s not? Don Juan said, “feeling bad is just as much work as feeling good”. I practice feeling bad. Old habits die hard.
 
It is set up where participants exchange hours/goods/services rather than cash. It allowed me to dip my toes into several arenas I wouldn't have otherwise had access to. Prior to that, I always thought massage was like getting your nails done, just a luxury that was in no way necessary, which is what I'd been taught from childhood.
That's the way I've always seen it too TT. What a terrific way to explore and find ways to hack your parasympathetic. I have had a couple in my life but not sure how I'd fee laying there hands on me, naked....vulnerable like you say. I think I'd feel more comfortable with a trauma-informed massage therapist. I wonder if they are difficult to find or if insurance would cover. In times of crisis or dysregulation letting my body lead the way has been key for me through progressive muscle relaxation, 5,4,3,2,1 technique, scent..etc..I bet massage would be very effective for me.

Thank you for sharing that important piece of your story and healing with me.
That's right. That's how to hack the parasympathetic. Find things that cause the body to be eased. Once they are found engineer life to revolve around those things. Love the sound of birds? Go out for a walk in the morning and really listen to the birds. That could be an hour of possible hell that you have taken control over and engineered to be calming and peaceful. Sooner than not you will notice as you walk out to the car at 2 pm that the birds are singing then too! And you will focus on them.
Thanks @shimmerz . That's exactly it, built-in reminders to be mindful, a reminder to encourage and support the para, to encourage feelings of wellbeing...to head off that tension that can build without even realizing it. How does that quote go "The time to shingle a roof is when the sun is shining"....we should practice our tools when we feel well, not just when we feel poorly.

My safe place, the one that shimmerz is such a help to me.
The inbreath as I understand it taps into the parasympathetic, the outbreath to sympathetic. I focus on my inbreath the moment I feel rattled. I count slowly to 5 and try to imagine that 'safe place' you speak about your T installing in you. On the outbreath I image chaos being sent out with the breath.
I didn't know this, thanks shimmerz....the link to both sympathetic and para. My breath awareness and work sucks, it's something I need to practice....incorporate more into my day.
The basic idea for me is what if nothing were wrong right now. Then it grows into, I can say there is nothing wrong anytime I want, even if I’m dying.
I love that idea about letting go of control...something I have a lot of trouble with. It manifests into "future tripping"...maybe catastrophizing. Thank you March
 
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