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Explaining To Loved Ones Who Just Don't Understand.

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Emily The Strange

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I am currently talking to my boyfriend over text messages about an incident that occurred the other day and no matter what I say he doesn't get the point.

I was driving down the road on a familiar route when I suddenly zoned out. I came round just as I was about to drive into the back of a van. I managed to swerve and avoid it but it occurred to me I acted on instinct and that if given the chance I would have probably just carried on into the back of the van, I would have hurt me badly but I really wouldn't care. I drove home and was sitting in my room thinking about it and realised I don't really car at all what happens to me, if I get hurt, if I die. I don't want to die but if it happens it happens.

My boyfriends solution to it all is to take my car away then I wont be a danger to myself and to others. He has a fair point as I zoned out and anything could have happened but I feel he is missing the point. I tried to explain to him it has nothing to do with the car but he just wont listen. I gave him another scenario not involving a car and his answer as to take that away as well. he cant understand its not what I'm doing or what I'm holding its my state of mind.

How do I make him understand, I've tried freaking him out and saying bluntly I don't care if I live of die but he keeps going on about the car. I'm getting really frustrated with him. He's trying to help but just doesn't understand.
 
I'm unsure as to how old you are..but maybe you just haven't learned yet: boyfriends never get the point. That's their job.

O.K. kidding to lighten the mood.

But seriously...2 things: 1, if he did "get it", he'd both be very afraid for you, as well as have to do something drastic and dramatic, like possibly have you hospitalized. He has no idea how to approach this, likely, and obviously doesn't want to have to do something like that against your will...if necessary, turning you against him--so he's stuck between a rock and a hard place ...and so he "misdirects" by going off on something concrete, as a material and practical problem he CAN turn his man-mind, problem solving orientation towards, and address successfully. Cars and removal of them as the practical solution to ensuring your safety.

He's trying to help you, in our practical guy way....he's just scared sh8tless, and has no idea where to start. But he knows he needs to make a big deal out of trying to keep you safe, to let you know he cares, so he's putting that all into cars...exactly the kind of matter-of-fact hands on approach you could expect from a guy, and a "vehicle" to communicate his concern for you--to you--especially when he knows he has to be seen "solving it" some how...but he has no idea where to start.

2. He likely doesn't want your relationship to "round that corner". You're in essence demanding he change his conception of you, as the girl he's in a particular flavor of relationship with...he's thinking of you as someone he respects and as a "viable member of average society"...and you're essentially putting him on notice that--no, in fact you're not that girl after all...now you're revealing yourself to be "someone else" entirely , someone who doesn't fit those qualifications in his likely "normie" un-PTSD oriented mind (which is common enough, and not his fault at all). So he has no idea how to relate to this newly qualified you. Alien territory.

If he in fact accepts that you are universally unconcerned with the prospect of your own death, in any form, his only realistic reaction can be a genuine and honest "holy sh8t" moment...and a forced game-plan change, that he neither has any idea how to approach or address, including a "changed you" which he'll no longer really be certain how to relate to on this new level. So he's doing what humans do...he's resisting that by staying in denial of it...by giving the slip to the point you've aimed in his direction.

He's not getting the point...because he doesn't WANT the point. That's my take on it anyway. Don't know him or you, obviously, but I can easily see it playing out that way.

. he cant understand its not what I'm doing or what I'm holding its my state of mind.

MAYBE you should ask yourself a few questions, first: Why are you telling him this, really? I mean, I know it's natural for anyone to want their loved one to know what their reality is like, what it's like on the inside of their head. But maybe you need to make that explicit to him, to make clear that that, alone, is your intention and motivation. Because remember, when a guy hears his girl say anything like "I've got a problem"....bingo....flashes up on his screen as "It's my duty to solve this, as her Man". And how could he be expected to "solve" that? It's really putting him in a bind, after all, isn't it? Guys don't work well on a "just understand it" level. They pretty much see things in terms of "problem? solve it!" level.

So maybe if you take a quiet moment, at the right place, at the right time, and frame it properly with an appropriate lead-up, so that by the time you launch the actual hard-subject matter, you've put it in context....then he'll be able to hear you...because he'll understand that that's all you want...to be heard, not "solved". It'll take the pressure off. He won't feel as much as though he's been tossed a nuclear hot potato, and expected to make french fries out of it.

How do I make him understand, I've tried freaking him out and saying bluntly I don't care if I live of die but he keeps going on about the car. I'm getting really frustrated with him. He's trying to help but just doesn't understand.

He doesn't want to hear that you don't care if you live or die! Would you want to hear that about someone you love?

I mean, I really think you should stop and think for a moment: Are you, in fact, legitimately suicidal? Because that's what someone being told what you're saying is going to infer. And do you know what loved one's do when they hear that, and really believe that? They lock you up, for your own good--that's what. And they should.

So maybe you need to divine your own motivations for telling him that. If you're just having feelings related to ennui, and existential angst, and the meaninglessness of life...maybe you should be talking about it to a therapist...or at least making that clear when you broach the subject, so it doesn't sound as though you're making suicide threats.

So you're seeing his "going on about the car" as just not understanding...when in fact he's seeing it as his not being able to afford to understand...if he did...he'd have to lock you up. He'd have to totally change his conception of you as someone so unstable that at any given moment in the future, you might suicide, and not be around anymore.

I think it's just a matter of you and he missing each other in going opposite directions. He doesn't understand that what you're telling him is that you're suffering from a kind of philosophical crisis, the realization that you lack motivation towards life in general....

And he's likely hearing..."I'm about to kill myself"...and his mind is going "HOLY SH*T!!! Maybe if I just ignore this for as long as possible, it'll go away, and be like we never brought it up! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!"

So maybe write him a letter about it. That feels right--you won't even be there for him to feel as though he has to react immediately for your benefit (guys do this, by the way)...so he'll be able to get through the whole thing and digest all the subtleties before he feels he has to snap into reaction to it.

But if you really are suicidal, please see someone urgently. There are local community clinics, where low cost psych related consultations are often pro-rated, especially in emergencies. But I'm glad you're posting here for support and resonance. I've definitely spent some time in that place myself, so I understand the distinction between "I just don't care about life", and "I'm about to kill myself". I do understand the difference, and most here would, I think. But the average person--probably has a difficult time separating the two...especially when it's a boyfriend who rightfully feels as though it's freak-outable material, in his girlfriend.

All the best, be well, and hope you'll continue to post for support.
 
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He has a fair point as I zoned out and anything could have happened but I feel he is missing the point

Sorry, but I feel you are missing the point, as a driver. There are other people on the road apart from you. How do they fit in to all this? What about the person driving the van that you nearly drove into? You might not mind dying as a result... how do you think they would feel about it? What about people who might have run into the crash from behind?

Let's stay with the car, and the road, and the fact that you aren't the only driver on it and the fact that " if given the chance I would have probably just carried on into the back of the van, I would have hurt me badly but I really wouldn't care". You do know there are other people involved in this... don't you?

In your own words, you zoned out and anything could have happened. That doesn't concern you at all?
 
The immediate point, to me, is that you are not just a danger to yourself driving if you're zoning out like that, you're a danger to other people too and actually I think your boyfriend does right it in responding to that immediate concern with 'You need to not be driving'!

I understand that there are other points you need him to get, but maybe you need to get his point too?
 
Have you told him that you think he has a fair point about the car?

I think it is very hard for people who have not been in that place to really understand and know that for me driving when I am I that place is just one of the things which I know is not safe, and for that reason my husband always takes me to my therapy appointments instead of me driving myself, and I know that is so important not only for my safety but for others too.

I know however that there are also many other ways where I do have to ensure that I make myself safe, and my husband being aware of the real reality of the depth of those feelings when they are there is so important.

I think him understanding about the car is an important step, as he obviously realises it really is serious, and if you can show him that you genuinely do want to be able to work through this and make sure you can keep yourself safe in this area, I suspect it will help him to be able to connect and understand the other massive areas where there are also problems and from there be able to work through and understand a lot more.

I don't know if this is any help, but really do hope it is, and am also so glad that you did not allow yourself to go though and hurt yourself and potentially others too, and really hope that you will be able to see that there really is another way out if this, and that having others who obviously love you and want to protect you, is a big part of this too.

God bless
Helen
 
Have you been able to reach out and ask for help? Its never too late to do that. You clearly have a lot going on right now and I think your boyfriend does realise that but maybe doesn't want to admit that something like this is happening to somebody that he loves and cares about.
 
Thanks for all the responses. I'd just like to mention, and probably should have put this in the original post but it didn't occur to me, that I haven't driven since and don't intend to until I have more control over my mental state.

I know exactly what the consequences would be if I'd actually driven into the back of the van and I know it wouldn't have been pretty but I didn't and I would never actually do that. Its just how I was feeling at the time. I'm not actually suicidal...I just don't care about life right now. I know exactly what it's like to be in a serious and fatal car crash as this is what started all my problems 4 years and 1 day ago.

I have been with my boyfriend for 9 1/2 years now and he is fully supportive. We have discussed my mental health on many occasions and he has made it very clear that I should tell him everything and even flips out if I don't tell him something and he finds out later on. We love each other and intend to spend the rest of our live together and so he wants to know EVERYTHING in order to keep me safe.

It's very true that he may well be thinking he has to solve the issue by removing the car but usually he is really good at just listening and knowing that i don't necessarily need him to come up with a plan to save me. He says he isn't like normal me and can see things more clearly as he grew up with 5 older sisters and has learned a lot from them. I personally think he is just like most men but in his own little dream world. I love him for trying though.

I went to my doctor yesterday and explained what had happened in the car and on previous occasions with the zoning out and to be honest she didn't seem that concerned. I have recently come off some medications and apparently that could be the reason why, that and the fact it was the anniversary of the car crash yesterday and I normally don't cope very well, nothing like this though. I have now resumed my medication and have a review in two weeks.

I have written down all of my thought and reasons for the way that i feel and what it all means to me and I intend to get him to read it so he will have more of an understanding.

Thanks Promicarus for getting the point that it's not necessarily all about the car and it's just a state of mind.
 
My greatest frustration and the main source of all my anger issues is not being understood. It goes back to the three years or so following the abuse. There were unmistakable signs that something was wrong, but my mother, my family, my school, teachers...no one could figure it out.

So now I get angry about things at work, or at home, and it often boils down to them not seeing what I think is obvious. Grrr.

I believe that it has a lot to do with not wanting to face awful truths, which sadly to say is sort of a normal response. It sure isn't what we would like and is uniquely frustrating.

You might try just asking him to open his heart and mind to something that he might find really, really uncomfortable to think about. To me, it sounds like he's blocking as some kind of defense mechanism.
 
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