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Relationship Falling Out With Close Male Friend With Ptsd - Hurting

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Hi, This is my first post to the PTSD Forum, and my first post ever to any forum, so I hope I have posted in the right place. I apologize in advance because I know that all of you are dealing with your sufferers in person - as spouses or significant others.

My sufferer now lives far from me. I don't know what to call him - my "guy friend" - my friend. We knew each other before Iraq but didn't date - were just friends.

Two months ago, we had a text conversation and I began to talk about Iraq. He had begun to express feelings for me that were more than platonic when he was deployed. I thought it might just be the desert loneliness, but we talked about it and we became closer. Sadly, he came home from Iraq and went to online dating sites - and that was that. But it had hurt me a lot. And he wouldn't talk about it. He vanished for a few months and then resurfaced when he was settled and began texting. Only texting, a few calls. Any opportunities to meet up - coming to visit - were squashed. I had my own set of issues from a bad previous relationship that involved my ex cheating and it took a lot for me to consider opening my heart to him, but I did. And so that Iraq homecoming really affected me badly - but I chose to get over it and be grateful I had my friend home safe. Also accept that texting was his thing and not push. Though it became frustrating at times.

Recently - a couple of months ago, I had brought up Iraq in a conversation - and brought up what happened between us then. I told him how much that hurt me and I didn't understand why he did that. I began talking about things he had told me while deployed - loving things. He stopped me and said he doesn't talk about Iraq and that for the last several months he's been in a PTSD treatment program.

I felt immediately surprised by his revelation and so remorseful. Had I triggered him by talking about Iraq? I had let my emotions get the best of me and hit him out of the blue with an old wound - when Iraq is still a fresh wound for him. He left the conversation and I didn't hear from him for a week. I apologized profusely on text. I called and left voicemail messages, some tearful, asking for his forgiveness. I emailed apologies. But nothing. I would ask if we were going to be okay - if he still wanted to be friends. He wouldn't answer except to say once or twice during those weeks that my behavior was totally unacceptable. I kept apologizing and told how much his friendship meant to me - to no avail. He finally responded "Be well " and that I should find another punching bag. He became ruder and mocking; I was floored. I felt horrible. I wouldn't hurt him for the world.

At that point, he had answered me I felt in terms of not wanting to be friends and I also felt like I was upsetting him more by continuing to try to get him to talk to me. I texted him a week later - three sentences - wishing him well. Because I had begun to fear his rude responses and also thought he may not respond, I blocked his texts. I knew he wouldn't be notified; he would just think it went through. It was very hard. And remains so. I unblocked two weeks later, though it's too late I fear to hear from him. So there's been no contact between us for 3 weeks and every day hurts.

It hurts that I wasn't worth having one conversation with. I think he knows my heart well enough to know I'd never intentionally hurt him. I regret bringing up that old would, and I worry I made him feel bad - like a not above board person. I feel terrible. Mad at myself. Sad. And yet confused. We have been friends for almost 4 years and it's over? And it's going to be over badly? I feel terrible for possibly upsetting his PTSD. When he came home from Iraq and chose online people over me, I developed anxiety. (I think a response to my own fear of abandonment) And after this recent situation, the panic attacks have begun - they wake me up in the morning. He is so dear to me and it's like losing a member of my family.

I want to give him the peace he needs - especially after having upset him. Yet I'm truly broken hearted. A piece of me is missing. He has never been the same person he was after he came home. But I don't know if this is PTSD - or just him. I feel there's nothing I can do without bothering him, but I struggle with the idea that our friendship has just been thrown away. He had just told me a week or two before how kind and caring I was - and so to get texts tearing me down was very hard.

I feel like we've had a friendship "breakup" My friends say move on and that true friends work things out. But they don't know him as I do - and don't want to understand PTSD and believe it's an excuse I'm making for him. I thought I would ask for insight here. Because I don't fully understand PTSD - I've learned a lot here reading through posts - but I just don't know what to think. If I triggered him or upset him - or he now associates me with Iraq pain - I don't know - could this friendship ever be restored? :( I don't even know what to ask; I guess I'm just here to try to find some understanding. I apologize for my long post and thank anyone who read through it.
 
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My concentration is not great tonight but I did read half of it and what I cant understand is that you seem to be taking ownership of doing something awful when all you did was have a conversation about behaviour he displayed which caused you pain. You didn't mean to cause him any harm.

But when he is vilifying you for doing something that was not your intent you seem to be agreeing with him. If you triggered hm by mistake that does not make you bad or any of the things you seem to accept him calling you.

I think its wise to look at your own fears of abandonment here and get support with that and also look at why you felt drawn to blame yourself in this way. Good luck.
 
I hate to break it to you, but the pre-Iraq guy is gone. You ask if its PTSD or him and I get the feeling that you want to blame PTSD and when he's "better" he'll be the same old guy again. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. Trauma changes us permanently. He may heal but he'll never be exactly the same.

I see your behavior as very intrusive. You text, email, call... I'm not surprised that he's chosen to ignore it all. I know you say you'd never intentionally hurt him, but that's part of the problem---your inability to see that what you've done has opened wounds for him and hurt him. Instead of backing off, you continue to pick. Every time you contact him to apologize, he's reminded of WHY you're apologizing and also Iraq. (My assumption, but I rearranged the situation to my trauma, and yup, I'd act the same way.)

My advice. Let it be. If you push, he will run and/or push back with nastiness. He just needs to be safe and someone reminding him of Iraq is unsafe. If the friendship was meant to be, he'll come back to you.
 
Confusedheart, My heart is breaking for you right now. You reacted the same way I did to my PTSD friend's rejection of me. You have serious abandonment issue, like myself. Please look for a therapist immediately!! I discovered that I also had PTSD, and my relationship triggered me badly. Be Blessed
 
To be honest, I think it's quite harsh of him to say your behaviour was totally unacceptable, when you knew nothing about him having PTSD. Yes, you may have upset him and naturally you would feel bad about that - but it certainly wasn't intentional. I don't think you really deserved to be on the receiving end of what you say/suggest for that.
 
Thank you all for your comments. I have never had a falling out with a friend - and found myself reading articles online "when friends have a fight" and "how to apologize to a friend" etc. I should have apologized once and let him have his space. I guess I pushed him away more and made it worse.

Yes, he wasn't pleasant to me after our exchange and he wasn't his usual self and his words hurt a lot. But he is a good person, a good man and kind soul and for 99% of our friendship we have always had kindness and respect for one another. So it hard to experience this side of him. I don't want to paint a picture of him as a horrible person. He is not.

He has resigned from the military - he did so one week before our bad text exchange. I had given him my support for his decision as he was feeling down about it. So I'm sure my timing in talking about Iraq and bringing up an old wound didn't help matters.

Thank you Bilby. My friends and family have said the same - that his reaction didn't match my words. But still, I feel bad. I will go back to my counselor to talk about some things - I had a traumatizing relationship and breakup and over a span of 7 years, 9 close friends and family passed away in my life and a few other things occurred. My friends called it a "perfect storm" of events and I developed layered grief. I was in counseling as it was all happening and it helped to have that support. So I know from my counseling that to lose such a close and long-time friend and on bad terms is causing me to feel a lot of pain, guilt, loss. Every person in my life means a great deal to me and I've learned through all that previous loss to appreciate every one of them.

I had a good visit yesterday with a longtime childhood friend who came into town. She was so supportive and understood how much my friend means to me. But also reminded me that he knows my heart and knows that I never meant to hurt him. That I deserve friends who love me and respect me - that I've apologized and that's all I can do. She said he could have closed it off immediately and just said "I don't want to do this anymore" but it wan't until 5 wks later that he said "be well"... " If he has closed down, to just let him go through his own thought process. Maybe in time he will reach out.

I understand he needs to do what is best for him. And by sending my best wishes message and letting him be, I stopped any unwelcome contact.

It does hurt a great deal. I miss him.
 
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Hi sweetie!

You haven't done anything wrong. I know you already know this in your heart but guess what, bringing up what is on your mind (like Iraq, etc.) is called BEING HONEST and REAL and it's what you were thinking and wondering about so you asked about it. And from what you've said here, I disagree that you pushed or did anything wrong or intrusive or anything that you should apologize for. At all. I'm not sure I would have texted and blocked, lol. To me, that's a little bit like dropping a bomb and running the other way to make sure you aren't around when it explodes. Kind of like, um, don't drop the bomb in the first place if you aren't willing to stick around and deal with the blast yourself, too.

Sorry - I'm like Queen of Analogies and maybe bomb analogies on a PTSD combat warriors site isn't the most politically correct analogy...:cool:

Anyway, please don't apologize ever for being open and honest and sincerely trying to explore and learn. If someone takes those things as negative, remind yourself that you are responsible for YOUR feelings and they are responsible for theirs. Don't apologize to them for them feeling hurt. Apologize that you said something they interpreted as "triggering" or "painful" or whatever but ultimately, them feeling hurt is their thing and their choice of how they process it. If they decide they don't like you anymore, that is their choice. But from what you've said here, I see nothing you did wrong at all except maybe the texting then blocking thing. But hey, I've done that myself too (sent FB message to my ex's jerk off friends telling them thanks for nothing and then blocked them, lol, so who am I to judge!!)
 
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Hi ConfusedHeart.

I feel for you. I had an eerily similar experience .. the guy I was dating (had logged serious combat experience) expressed himself, had no filter, discussed random minutiae about exes (even though I said I appreciated not hearing it)..but, the minute I made an assessment about him or expressed that something was unfair, I was immediately iced out for days.

It's like they set us up to fail. If they can pin something on us/if it's"our fault, " they're relieved of responsibility. The bar was set impossibly high and I was never going to satisfy him. Just would've been a moving target.

Like you, I felt horrible ... all I wanted was to be cut some slack. All I wanted was to make things right.

In the short term, things worked out and we bonded and got close to each other. He let me behind the curtain, so to speak. But, he's gone back to his contract work and decided I shouldn't wait for him./he wasn't good enough for me. Blah. Today, I had an armchair quarterback moment, connected all the dots and saw that my opinion never was considered. It was just a coincidence that I enjoyed the activities he chose. That is unhealthy and not what I deserve.

So, I understand that being iced out is totally hurting you. But, it was never your fault. You (and I) deserved the same consideration that we showed them.

So sorry that this happened, friend.
 
PS We aren't dolls with strings in the back/a limited number of sayings and emotions. We are real people and have emotions and limits. You were true to yourself and sincere. What else is there? It's not your fault.
 
Thank you all so much for your insights and feedback. Yes, strongandsmart25 and KatieHopes, you are right - I have to be able to express myself. Not feel bad for expressing my feelings just because he didn't like them. You two are helping to remind me of the importance of self respect and backbone. Though I admit, that's not what I showed him. I just caved and apologized, apologized, apologized.

KatieHopes, I'm sorry for your situation. Yes, it does sound similar. My friend also told me at one point that he wasn't good enough - that he didn't know where his life "was headed which was common for a vet" so not to get "hung up on him." "Iced out" is a great way of putting it. He just vanishes! Vanishes after telling me off. For months. This time he was especially strong worded on his way out and it's quite different this time - feels more final. I feel like we're good enough friends that we can talk about anything. But yes he can crush the eggshells, but I have been walking carefully on them.

I am just in shock, I guess. I don't recognize this side of him. He is genuinely really quite nice to me. But he's kept me at arm's length since coming home. Hearing him tear me down was really hard. We've seen each other through many things over almost 4 years. It feels like I was perhaps more invested than he was. And he'd rather vanish - than save this friendship. Thanks again to all of you for your input. I'm glad I joined this community.
 
I think your initial telling him how you felt about his behaviour is a normal and actually healthy way to react to confusing behaviour. You had no idea about his PTSD. Again I want to say you did nothing wrong. Its OK and normal to feel sad that it triggered him but it isnt your fault.

It can be very difficult for someone experiencing the intense emotions of PTSD to separate their actions from someone elses blame. Especially when what the person did or said did trigger something. But that it triggered something is not the non PTSD persons fault if they did it unknowingly and unintentionally.

Where the concern lies is not in what you did to start but rather that you could not let it go. And your internal evaluation or reaction to what happened. I think that very strongly shows up your abandonment injuries and possible past self esteem injuries.

The one thing I do agree with SacredofLonely is that reacting that way would be very distressing to the person/possibly re trigger them and make them want to run a mile - to do the opposite from what you are wanting. I think it would probably chase away a non PTSD person as well.

I think you are brave to face your vulnerabilities and look at healing your old wounds.
 
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