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mbrady

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My wife sent me an email yesterday. I asked her after she came back from house sitting at her friends if she was ready to end this limbo. I told her I was looking forward to some concrete answers. She replied in text that she's sorry but I wasn't going to get concrete answers at this time. Games man!
Anyway her email started off good and then veered sharply back to accusations and assumptions and more vagary. It was thoughtful from a selfish, narcissistic persons POV. My therapist thought it was rambling, and more lack of accountability. And very poorly written when it was perportedly God inspired. BUT, I did not react. I replied. Called out the little bits of good I could find in it and avoided the traps of getting into a tit for tat match with her.
Progress!
 
I haven't read all of your posts, but from what I have read, it seems like you just shouldn't engage with her at all. I know that's hard, but really, I think you need to treat this like dealing with a crazy person. The more you engage and try to get something logical out of them, the more fuel they have to keep being difficult and egging you on. I'm not saying you should cut off communication completely, but I think you need to keep your communications with her very brief and matter-of-fact -- no asking her for answers, no seeking an explanation. It kind of seems like she gets off on you wanting something from her, and the more you show her you want answers, the less likely she is to give them. That's just my opinion. I would say leave all the emotion out of your communications with her, and don't ask her for anything in terms of an explanation. It'll just drive you crazy.
 
Hi there. I have read all of your posts and I feel for you. Your wife sounds very unstable and manipulative!

Not sure if this will help but a few years back I was having problems with a very close friend. She is a drinker and when we hung out all of her dysfunction effected me. Ruined nights, making sure she made it home, apologizing to people she offended or embarrassed etc. etc.
While this was going on literally for years I had had enough. She had ruined our night out to see Madonna in concert, something I was looking forward to for years and it was a birthday gift from my ex. I was so excited. She got drunk, puked on the man behind us and we had to leave early.
I was so mad! During the next week I was reading a magazine article about toxic relationships. This was clearly one of them. And what was said changed my life.
*People either help or hinder us. And it's ok to cut the people who hinder us out of our lives. And that is what I did. And I am happy I did it.

It sounds to me like your wife is the one with the mental disorder. She needs help! And not from her "church". She is a master manipulator. She pulls the strings. I can only imagine what she has told her friends and lawyer. She will manipulate them as well.

Good luck! And worry about yourself right now. Because she sure isn't!!
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It's funny you should mention toxic b/c that's one of the things she's telling people about me. Friends of mine who are coming back to me and saying "hey, what's up with this? I know that's not your character.". Friends that know her as well and have told me they've seen this coming for a while. Didn't want to believe it. While it's validating to hear they don't buy it, some do. One thing is for sure I'm definitely finding out I can handle more than I thought. And I know I'm getting stronger day by day.
 
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My wife sent me an email yesterday. I asked her after she came back from house sitting at her friends if she was ready to end this limbo. I told her I was looking forward to some concrete answers. She replied in text that she's sorry but I wasn't going to get concrete answers at this time. Games man!

Progress!

A few weeks ago, I was out of town to see my mother and when I called my husband, he wanted answers. He likes concrete answers as well even when there are none. The answers I had wasn't good enough and I finally had to tell him if my answers weren't good enough, that was his problem, not mine.

of course he was offended but If I don't have the answers nagging me isn't going to help. He will always want concrete answers and sometimes I won't have them. sometimes I need time to process before I'm bombarded with his questions.

We knew this about each other before we married. My point is~ maybe your wife doesn't have answer you want. Maybe, just maybe, your wife has her own issues and isn't ready to talk about them. I know that sounds horrible that she wouldn't discuss them with her husband but sometimes we just need to process things before we can discuss them.

I hope it works out for you both.
 
@mbrady , looks like things are coming to a head. Glad to know you are taking care of yourself and have a huge umbrella when the shit hits the fan.
Take care of yourself and your boys the best you can.
They are watching what you are doing, not so much hearing what you are saying.
So handle yourself with as much Grace as you can. That's what they will remember most about this time in their lives.
Wishing you strength to endure and take care of you.
 
@ladee - thanks for the encouragement.
@Parley - great handle first of all! I'm curious of two things. One have you read my back story? And two what do you mean by Maybe...my wife has her own issues and ... ready to talk? Sorry I can't quote on my iPhone for some reason.
 
It's funny you should mention toxic b/c that's one of the things she's telling people about me. Friends...
I have some friends that I have known since my 20's and they had a pretty bad marriage. The wife always told me of the abuse she suffered both emotional and physical. And I believed it. I just tried to support her as best I could. Towards the end of their marriage all she did was bad mouth him to me so I told her to figure out what she wanted and then call me. (she never did). When they separated the husband and I ended up talking quite regularly (as he was my neighbor). So I told him about the things she shared with me. Come to find out, she lied about ALL of it. She was the abusive one. After the divorce some of our mutual friends got together and compared the different stories she told us. She manipulated all of us and we fell for it. She was going to drag him through the mud in court so we all wrote statements for HIM to have in case he needed proof of what she was capable of. It didn't come to that because once she found out we were supporting him she changed her tune and had to do as the court said.

It makes me wonder if your wife was on this forum would we believe her? My guess would be, yes.

Yes, we are all stronger then we think.
Good luck!
 
@Parley - great handle first of all! I'm curious of two things. One have you read my back story? And two what do you mean by Maybe...my wife has her own issues and ... ready to talk? Sorry I can't quote on my iPhone for some reason.

Thank you.

I have read some of your back story which is why I chose to respond. I read a man that said he wanted to save his marriage but seems to have nothing but hostility and contempt for a woman that responds in kind. or vise versa? 23 years is a long time and it's sad to read.

My husband has not and probably wouldn't research PTSD. He didn't marry a woman with PTSD, 25 years ago, he married a woman with trauma and that is what we work around but he's too good to tolerate bad behavior. There are plenty of people in the world willing to beat us down so we both keep a check on what we allow in our relationship.

I can only assume your wife knew you had issues because your step dad was your abuser? if you were triggered and those issues are more than she can handle, I feel bad for the both of you. Many people can't handle other people's PTSD but I don't think it makes them a vial person. It's hard and not for everyone but she will always be the mother of your children.

It must be hard to be the one with PTSD and being the sole provider. I know being beat down with the Bible can't help the situation. We get lost in raising our children and forget to put our spouses first. In the end, our children leave and we are left with the relationship we have build with our spouse or the destruction of a marriage.

Many people with ptsd doubt their spouse will stick with them and always expecting them to leave and I can't help but wonder if your wife knows there is nothing she can say to put you at ease. I hope that is the case and yall can figure this out before you hurt each other beyond repair. If your marriage comes to an end, I hope it's mutual and done with respect for each other, your children, and yall's history.

I don't know your wife so I can't speculate on what her issues could be. I was just saying that sometimes we need to figure things out before we can discuss them. Before I was triggered into dealing with my past, I went to see a therapist. A few days later, I received a letter from someone I ended contact with a few years prior and it made him wonder what was going on. A few days later, I got a call from someone wanting me to meet someone else and he asked "what the hell happened". I think it was rhetorical but I said I didn't know. A few days later, I had to fess up that I went to see a therapist. (obviously a shitty one but one all the same)

My husband has always been a great supporter and would have supported me seeing a therapist but I didn't tell him because I didn't know how I felt about it. It had nothing to do with him and I needed to figure out before I was ready to talk.

we are in totally two different situations but don't go digging your hole too deep based on assumptions. Ptsd is hard on everyone involved and I truly hope you two can work this out and become stronger as individuals and as a couple.
 
I'm definitely hurting and having trouble dealing with this change, and yes I'm angry but I think "contempt" is a strong word. Boundaries, individuality, and basic personhood have all been foreign concepts in our marriage. We've developed unhealthy codependency on one another. My challenge is though we both realize there is disfunction one of us is using manipulation, threats and intentional wounding to deal with it while the one with the diagnosed illnesses is bending over backwards to "get right"! And after almost 23 years yes I'm jaded for being the one that has taken specific measurable actions to help. She has said to me the fact she stays with me is her contribution to helping. Like her very presence is equal effort enough. That's wrong.
 
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