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Hi, I am relieved to finally find somewhere I can speak honestly and possibly connect with people who are going through similar stuff... when I shared a bit of my life with somebody two weeks ago, all he said was 'sounds like PTSD'. Did some research and yes, it does sound like I've got PTSD and it's been handed down from my Mother - is that possible?

When I was six she left her stepfather in my bedroom to teach me a lesson. He'd been molesting her for years, she knew what he'd do and sure enough he was 'tickling' me when she came back into the room. He was carrying a bottle of scotch when he knocked on the door, so it was like I was sold for her addiction to alcohol. They got drunk for a few days... like completely wiped out unconsciously drunk. When I came home from school I opened the door and saw them both passed out naked in the lounge room and he had his face between her legs. I wanted to scream, it's like something in me died in that moment. I remember a feeling of hatred, shame, anger, disgust and shock. I closed the door, ran down the stairs and just cried and cried and cried. When I came back he was gone and she was still drinking. I HATED HER and to some extent still do.

She said she thought she was going to die young because her mother died aged 48, so same thing was going to happen to her. Because we didn't have aunts uncles or grandparents, she thought we would have nobody to look after us and she had to teach us everything she knew - that men are bastards. Even though that was drummed into us I remember looking at her and thinking, yeah men are bastards and some women are completely stupid. She's still alive age 73 and has always been 'going to die', especially if we touched on taboo subjects like her addiction to alcohol - that would cause a heart attack, so we had to hold our tongues.

When she finally sobered up after her week long binges we had to pretend nothing happened - again, we had to say she was sick and she was always listening in to hear if we told anybody that alcohol was the reason. Her 'boyfriend' started beating her up and she always screamed for me and my sister to come and watch so that we could see what bastards men are. One time he was holding a double barrelled shotgun to her head and he pulled the trigger - I was disappointed that the gun was empty. I thought that would be the end of the nightmare she was.

Her first husband was jailed for molesting little girls and when he came to visit she sent him to my bedroom to say hello. She knew what he would do. He gave me the creeps - STILL, even though he's now dead, I still remember him breathing on my body and it gives me shivers.

I left home the first chance I could at age 16 and came back 17 years later. I travelled to Europe and had a serious car accident in Germany when I was 23, I broke 14 bones, was in a coma for two weeks and none of my family came to visit me while I was in hospital for 119 days. My mother called twice, she said she was happy I didn't die because she would have worked her whole life for nothing. Luckily there was a guy who came to visit every day and we developed a relationship. I really think if he didn't I would have lost my will to live. I stayed in a relationship with Juergen for 3 years and eventually struggled to relate to him when I wanted to create my own exercise business. He said I was stupid to even think about it... I knew I could do it and wanted to take a chance. We broke up and I put all my energy into making it happen - and it did.

For the first time ever, my life was like a dream come true. I lived in a beautiful apartment, met fantastic people, was financially independent, developed another relationship with Philip who introduced me to Landmark Education (which is indirectly related to Scientology) and I really started to develop self confidence.

18 months later my house mate Erick hanged himself in our studio - I found him when I came home from holiday with Philip who two weeks later said he didn't want to be in a relationship with me anymore. He said I reminded him of 'the situation'. I lost my business, home, friend, and boyfriend in two weeks. Suicide is one of the most difficult things to understand, I still struggle with it. He must have known I would find him, did he hate me that much? What did I do wrong?

About six months later I started working for Landmark Education, I worked up to 120 hours a week for a really low income and didn't care because I was learning public speaking and developing skills I'd only ever dreamed of. The environment was fast paced and ever changing which eventually got to me, I watched people leave Landmark pretty messed up - depression, severe lack of iron, narcolepsy, I know of three people who participated in Landmark's Education and committed suicide - Erick was one of them.

I left Landmark in January 2002 and have really really struggled to fit into the 'real' world since. I worked so many hours and lived with other people who worked there and had very little to do with anybody else for two years. In total I participated for five years at varying degrees and associated only with other people who did. When I left I felt completely rejected, useless and like a complete and utter failure. I was told if I did leave (it took me a year to decide), that I would shrink because I wouldn't have the same level of respect from people who didn't know about Landmark. I'd earned my position there and they were right, my 'title' had no street value outside of the company.

Doctor's have prescribed anti-depressants and I have adamantly said NO. I watched my mother make a mess of herself with uppers and downers laced with alcohol, watched a house mate fall into decline while taking anti-depressants and learnt from Landmark that anti-depressants put people into a different state of awareness (people taking them can only participate with Landmark if they have been cleared by the company psychologist).

It's been really difficult to 'settle' down, I've moved house and jobs so many times, hate working for companies, don't want to share my apartment with anybody even though I can't afford the rent by myself, unemployment benefits don't cover my expenses, I keep having recurring thoughts about my past and am slowly losing the will to live. It seems like I'm a magnet for disaster and I'm scared to connect with people. I feel like I am dangerously close to losing my sanity - whatever is left of it.

The last couple of months I've been writing my life story and reading it at a live storytelling event which has helped keep me a little sane, it feels good to get this stuff out of my head and would be really great to connect with somebody here who can guide me to what's next because I really don't know. I really feel like I'm losing it.

Phew, feels better to be able to say that. I am in the right place aren't I??
 
RealityCheck -

All I can say from personal experience - is what I've been taught in relation to dealing with somebody doing the suicide thing.

'I am NOT responsible for somebody else's chemical makeup'. Obviously this person had very deep mental issues. I was not aware he was that disturbed. And even had I been aware - he probably would have done it anyway. Whether it be then or later. It's not my problem. Someobody who commits or attempts suicide really does have to take responsibility for their own actions. I only wish he'd had the honesty with himself to check himself into a hospital when he got suicidal. Because jumping from a 5 storey building is not a 'cry for help'. that's pretty final. My therapist said something along the lines of this to me in my first session - 'this is what we are going to do with this person - we're going to put him in a filing cabinet - close it, lock it - and not speak of him again... because this is about YOU... and you are the one wanting help'.

Of course I'll always struggle with it. And of course I'll always feel really bad that this person was so sick that he would literally commit this act. But he really can deal with his own issues. I'm the one in therapy, I'm the one paying for it, and I'm the one putting my hand up and asking for help rather than doing something as utterly irrational as suicide. And she explained that too. She was like 'people who commit suicide arent rational. You know that, right? Something is seriously not right and they are not in that moment thinking with any sense of the rational'. So that's what I do now. I try to move forward with my life and remember his actions and his chemical makeup are really his problem. I've worn it for long enough and I want to move forward.


I hope you find a lot of support here on all kinds of issues. I can only comment personally on that one. I hope it helped. Best of luck to you and welcome to the forum.
 
THANK YOU, I am getting so much value from this forum so far - I've only started reading the introductions and already can relate to what so many people are saying. Until now I've really struggled to dissect exactly what I am dealing with from my past so that I can even begin to manage myself, now it looks like I will be able to connect with people who can offer some kind of rational solution, therapy, explanation, suggestion, feedback, outlet for issues that have been driving me crazy.

I've read that people who commit suicide aren't rational, it's good to hear it again. Yes, that helps... hearing that helps ... and so does this forum. It's so comforting to hear I'm not alone and at the same time it is sad and upsetting to hear how irresponsible adults are with children. What is going on in peoples' heads to do such things? Why do adults violate innocent children? What is going on in our society that this happens?

Yes, your response has helped - thanks.
 
Hi & welcome to the forum.....

Although is sounds as if you *may* have PTSD, self diagnosis is never a good thing to do. If you have any insurance, I would suggest that you seek the help of a Psychiatrist, to get a correct diagnosis...If you don't have insurance there should be a Mental Health Clinic in you community or surrounding area, that can help with a sliding scale fee for services...

Let's hope that you don't have PTSD. it is life long, not curable at this time, and basically it SUCKS to have it....
 
Thank you. I have been told 'depression' by two psychologists very keen to prescribe anti-depressants without listening to what has happened, one said that I was born into depression and don't know anything else. After the car accident I stopped menstruating and haven't menstruated for 22 years due to shock, it seems like I have lived in a state of shock for a long time. I've been reluctant to go to any counselling or therapy after experiences where they don't want to listen and just want to prescribe pills before 'treatment', doesn't make sense to me. Fair enough if there are tests on my brain for chemical imbalance first, without that tho I'm a little wary.

Life has SUCKED for the last 9 years with whatever has been going on with me. I've been disconnected, not fitting in, isolating myself, feeling completely lonely, misunderstood, unable to relate to people, hating everything, questioning life, constantly tired, sleeping until 1 or 2 in the afternoon, don't want to work, hardly eating, my skin is a mess, I've lost too much weight and all I've been doing is searching the internet for a place I can fit in to. So far in this forum I feel at home, and yes, I will be seeing a psychologist this week.
 
Good for you for seeking out a diagnosis. It's so important, because you could have other issues, such as Bi-polar, Personality Disorder, ect ect. So knowing exactly what you are dealing with is always the best route to go, as far as treatment.....
 
My thoughts on diagnosis : re C-PTSD v PTSD are this -

Firstly, I'm not a mental health professional and I'm basing this on my observations of sufferers, coupled with reading. I think, in an ideal world we'd all like think that our childhood was wonderful and nothing bad happens and blah blah. I think the reality is that everybody goes through something in their childhood which could be labelled 'traumatic'. So, for example - a soldier who witnesses very traumatic events during adult warfare wouldn't warrant a label of C-PTSD if he'd also been spanked a few times as a child. Or had come from divorced parents, etc etc. Possibly events early in life may have made this person depressed or anxious - (I know coming out as being gay was definitely an 'isolator' for me at 16, etc) but it wasn't a constant trail of events which led to a fragmented reality. It wasn't like i 'feared my own home or parents' - even if there were really crap days every now and then. The real catalyst would have occured in adult life - hence - PTSD.

Conversely, I think the distortion of reality in someone with C-PTSD occurs much younger. Hence, someone with C-PTSD is more likely to be misdiagnosed with conditions such as MPD or bi-polar. There is a far greater distortion of reality which sets in much earlier. There is a greater degree of not seeing the rational, etc.

For myself personally, I believe my diagnosis. I think some 'not very nice' stuff happened as a kid (but I think that's more regular than people realise - life is not a rose garden) and that, coupled with the fact I am naturally shy anyway, lead to anxiety and possible bouts of depression. So I think I was probably susceptible or maybe vulnerable. But it was a very real traumatic event as an adult, a singular event or events, which resulted in PTSD. Of course, a diaganosis of PTSD has made my mind focus more on trauma. SO I'm now remembering and thinking about things in my past which weren't 'all lovely'. But the 'break' happened in adult life. I think the 'break' happens far earlier in C-PTSD.

That's just the way I see it - and it's also what I observe on this site in relation to PTSD and C-PTSD. The fragmentation of the mind in C-PTSD is more severe and occurs far earlier. There seems to be more of a distance from the rational in someone with C-PTSD. Thus, harder to diagnosis. Can certainly parade as something like MPD or bi polar, etc.

I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find anyone in the world who has only ever had ONE bad thing happen to them - thus, more than one 'trauma' doesnt warrant C-PTSD. It's really more about how constant it was and how early it started.

Again, I'm not a health professional - that's just my observations. Could be completely wrong.
 
Welcome to the forum. Please do not blame yourself for any of the bad things that happened. Having a mother that obviously was sick to allow a person to hurt her own daughter and then your friend committing suicide...they are both not your fault. One of the first steps in your healing is to realize this. You had no control over their behaviour. I am sure your therapist will address this with you. I hope you get some much needed support. The forum has been a tremendous place for me to grow and heal and I hope it becomes that for you too!
 
oh, and I have completely disconnected from my family for the last seven years - my experience with them is provocation, like I'm being tested, taunted and teased. My mother and sister have a really close relationship, and I am the black sheep, the one they use as a bad example for the kids... if you do that then you'll end up like your aunty, old, lonely, without kids and no man will want you.... and then a chuckle from my Mum. It's a mental trauma I've known ever since I can remember that feels like I've got some kind of secret contract happening with my mother and nothing I do can break it.
 
Life has actually sucked for a lot longer than that, life sucked every time I saw my mother passed out comatosed with alcohol and pills. Every time I was mentally abused and told I was useless, ugly, just like my father who my mother still to this day hates. Every time I saw her get beaten, every time I heard her screaming, every time I was told to keep my mouth shut. The most painful thing has been pretending everything is OK, trying to keep myself together when all I really want to do is scream as loud as I possibly can. Yeah, my life has sucked ever since I can remember... on reflection I've been trying to run away to escape a nightmare that I just can't shake.
 
So now you have to stop running and tackle your traumas and fears. It really will feel like it gets really bad before it gets better but in the end you will benefit from getting it all out and out of your brain to stop the nightmare. You can do it..it just takes a lot of hard work and probably many tears in between. Good luck!
 
I agree with Pandora,....Trying to avoid what is there, only prolongs our suffering. Getting it out by talking and writing, sucks, it causes us more pain, and will make us sick, but it DOES get better. It's just the process of desensitizing ourselves from the trauma that is so difficult. PTSD will never go away, but through desensitizing ourselves, learning healthy coping skills, grounding skills, ect ect, it makes our lives a while lot better to manage and to deal with. It also helps us to deal with others, have or establish healthy relationships with othes toor....It just opens up a whole new world for us...
 
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