How did this go from DBT to The Secret?!

Personally I think that what they’ve been doing is fraud against the patients AND payors (whether insurance or individual). If you have private insurance, notifying them (and forwarding evidence) might make something happen. Insurance fraud is a serious crime and there’s a decent chance they’ll pursue it aggressively if they feel that’s what it is.

I think they owe refunds and apologies to everyone involved. I think you took this far better than most people would, and I feel bad for you, and especially others who were unable to handle it as well as you did.

What they did harms patients, and there’s no chance of them making it completely right even if they wanted to. Shame.
 

Justmehere

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i think I struggle with shaking stuff off like this because of the "authority" of the therapist/system and the vulnerability of asking for help. I also genuinely want help and try to not assume I've got it all figured out.

Last night and this morning the therapist blew up my phone pushing boundaries. I indicated I was busy at work, etc, can't talk. Please discharge me.

He kept using last names in group and sending out large group cc emails with contact info for patients to other patients with no authorization or need to do this. Two things I asked he immediately cease doing with my name, contact info, and phone number. Don't call it over and over and don't give my contact info to other patients. He did it again today. He's got the ability to make my life harder.

He's emailing repeatedly now about it.

Thing is, saying "stop" as a mental health patient to a mental health therapist... it's usually difficult... They have power over me in a way... sort of...

He responded to my boundary by saying, verbally on my voicemail, and on text and email, clearly I need crisis services. He gave a long list of crisis contacts and asked I contact them and have them contact him.

Because wtf?! I requested he "state the nature of the crisis." He replied the crisis is that I'm telling him to "stop emailing and calling you when we need to discuss your refusal to attend group."

I have never stated I'm in danger of any harm, never spoken about self harm or suicidal thoughts, none of that. I simply quit his IOP. He's sending my contact info out to the group and blowing up my phone at work. When that didn't work, he's now using his authority as a therapist to pathologize and gaslight a woman setting an ordinary and professional privacy and space boundaries with him. I'm somehow the bad guy or in need of his glorious help because how dare I say no... where does this crap happen outside of abuse and mental health care?

I resent people in the profession who pull stuff like this because it does so much harm. I think I stay too long because this stuff hurts. I'm genuinely trying to get help and this vulnerability of mine gets used against me to push over basic boundaries and if I hold them... hello the nonsense.

Something about it brings me back to being that abuse survivor.... begging for my perp to relent. Trauma learned habits die hard....?

I've agreed to one quick call at a specific time this morning to reiterate I've quit and we are done, discharge me please. I'm setting a time and giving him 5 minutes for the contact... for my sake. To allow me to shake this off faster. The billing dept has agreed to not bill insurance but me. I've asked as remedy to the bait and switch, and now privacy issues, they not bill at all for the 1.5 sessions, but waive costs and call it a day. I'll be repeating this request to him and ending at the 5 minute mark. Or trying to.

Trying to "shake off the dust" as my own spiritual practice would say - a metaphor for leaving the dirt picked up in a place that isn't a good fit behind with that place.
 

Mach123

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I had an old boss who controlled me for years with this authority stuff. It’s why I’m in therapy more or less, the way I can be controlled like that. It’s terrible what they’re doing. The therapist especially. I hope the call goes well. You really are doing great.
 
Absolutely incredible. You did nothing wrong there.

Add repeated confidentiality violations to his pile of offenses which, in my opinion, include patient abuse and fraud. You always have the option to block his phone and email if needed.

Lawsuits have been won over less than this. He’s a disgrace to the mental-health profession and you don’t owe him anything. You’re generous to give those five minutes.

I hope you are well and I hope this can be behind you soon.
 

Friday

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I have never stated I'm in danger of any harm, never spoken about self harm or suicidal thoughts, none of that. I simply quit his IOP. He's sending my contact info out to the group and blowing up my phone at work. When that didn't work, he's now using his authority as a therapist to pathologize and gaslight a woman setting an ordinary and professional privacy and space boundaries with him. I'm somehow the bad guy or in need of his glorious help because how dare I say no... where does this crap happen outside of abuse and mental health care?
Quick email to the hospital admin... include the phone & email log... and tell them that if he doesn’t stop harassing you, & publishing your private contact info to other patients, you’re going to contact an attorney and let them deal with it as they see fit.

Then...seriously? Do. You don’t need this stress, you’ve made every good faith effort, and that’s what attorneys are FOR. Dealing with f*cktards on ego driven power trips is a coffee before lunch.
 
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@Justmehere seriously, sending you loads of strength. This guy is a douchebag, an utter fart-tard, and not someone you need to spend 1 second trying to convince of anything. Literally, first words out of my mouth would be "you need to be very careful what you say.. the next 60 seconds need to be spent letting me know you have discharged me, zero'd out my balance, and are apologetic that you shared my personal information illegally. If that isn't what your plan was, better make it your plan or my next call will be to my attorney." I personally would tape record the conversation too.... legitimately, you have good reason. In most states in the US, only one party has to be aware that the conversation is recorded. If he asks, you can't lie....
 

Eagle3

MyPTSD Pro
Sending out private contact info is a serious HIPPA violation. Not only does this "therapist's" behavior indicate he needs supervision and instruction, quite honestly, he needs to lose his license to practice considering all the unethical behavior he's engaged in. I agree, a lawyer should be on the table, at the very least, contact the licensing board about this one. He shouldn't be in practice if this is how he handles his clients.
 

Justmehere

Moderator
i sent a formal letter tonight via email and certified mail terminating care. I outlined the reasons why. I reinforced my revoking my consent for care and yet mining authorization to bill insurance, blah blah. I requested they write off any claims for services due to the misrepresentation of the program services and privacy losses, I indicated all their numbers and emails are blocked. They called my emergency contact and told that person they won't be contacting me again. (Not sure how that is an emergency but whatever. Par for the core for them to be wonky.)

I talked to my therapist tonight about the wuitting a bad fit being hard, and I think it's even more than the authority of the therapist but a fundamental flaw in my thinking, a distorted core belief issue. Still figuring it out. She seems overly pleased I took away good learning about this... She's silly proud of me for quitting and walking away. She wants me to report the HIPAA issues too, but expressed respect when I said I just want nothing more with it all. I choose to let what happened, happen, and to be free of this. Not a battle I am fighting. I have plenty on my plate to handle.

I'm really glad for the support and feedback here.

Onward to better things!
 

Justmehere

Moderator
Oh. And poor Billy Graham is getting a workout in this situation. When they kept pushing the privacy issue of giving my contact info out to other patients, and giving that if others to me, I got sarcastic and said "oh you know what, actually this is great! I'm so glad I have all these patient contacts you sent to me, I can send out Billy Graham preaching videos to everyone now! This is great! Don't you think this is fantastic? I'm so glad you do this... I can also tell them who they should vote for. Also, I'm starting this great new thing through Amway and my neighbor is selling Girl Scout cookies and a great new startup side hustle and is looking for leads to sell a lawn service and I can give them everyone's contact info..."

Yeah..... I went on and on...

The director caught my sarcasm, and my point and stopped my ranting of all the ways contact info can be used...

She then said they would be changing the practice and the privacy compliance officer would be in touch.

I told her no, don't have them contact me.

She pushed and I told her to discharge me now. Dismiss all the bills. Fix your own privacy issues with the staff you supervise.
Let me move on and having nothing more to do with this. She pushed. I told her I'm blocking all numbers from the program including the privacy officer.

Why? I'm done with all of this. Done!

I did NOT send the videos or anything to the other patients. That would be so wrong to do. Just made a point clear.

Hopefully they will never forget it.
 
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@Justmehere in my opinion they took advantage of someone who was vulnerable and needed help then exploited it when they couldn't manipulate you back in to their program. I can't stand that. To prey on the weak makes them a monster. I understand you don't want to pursue anything at this time, but the law gives you a year usually to circle back around.
 
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