I know this doesn't touch on the solution to the question (sorry @Mystery :( ) but I was thinking, if I waited for 'self-love' to give love I'd never live or get anything done! Also, if it makes me feel good or happy then it seems counter-productive not to do it. (So that could be looked at as a form of self-love because it's kinder to myself).
I still think they have got something' wrong' or rather incomplete when they say you have to 'love yourself' first, because I've always been an example otherwise. Maybe that applies if it is associated with co-dependence or trying to elicit some response, but if there are no ulterior motives I don't think it's as likely. It is an end in itself.
I think sometimes it's deceptively simple- 'love' can get associated with abuse, betrayal, etc. Pain.
I can think of despising my own birthday (but it really only started with, or after the ptsd) etc, & it equate(s) to my own self-hatred, feeling not deserving etc. I learned better to 'accept' it when I saw it could make others feel badly. Like, for example, I thought as per my mom, what mother as a mother would feel 'good' about having a kid who hated themself/ their own existence? So I had to get less selfish.
I think as an adult (in terms of adult relationships) trying to learn to think in other ways can't be done easily within or after abusive relationships. At best everything gets all scrambled. In non-abusive relationships, there still remains all that risk. And simply not knowing 'how' to do it or risking it, & then practising. What seems to matter a lot is the environment or relationship, if it's not trustworthy or safe it seems counter-intuitive (as in 'worse than death'!!). JMHO though.
Mind you, writing this- & I don't know why I am, to be honest- I know I am 'damaged' or less-than-healthy when it comes to this as per myself, & I personally couldn't withstand anything but the most kind-hearted partner. I know I should toughen-up but even when it comes to family etc I seem to have lost my 'protective coating' that lets the negative stuff bounce off.
Best wishes @Mystery, you are trying something new & doing good! :tup: :hug:
I still think they have got something' wrong' or rather incomplete when they say you have to 'love yourself' first, because I've always been an example otherwise. Maybe that applies if it is associated with co-dependence or trying to elicit some response, but if there are no ulterior motives I don't think it's as likely. It is an end in itself.
I think sometimes it's deceptively simple- 'love' can get associated with abuse, betrayal, etc. Pain.
I can think of despising my own birthday (but it really only started with, or after the ptsd) etc, & it equate(s) to my own self-hatred, feeling not deserving etc. I learned better to 'accept' it when I saw it could make others feel badly. Like, for example, I thought as per my mom, what mother as a mother would feel 'good' about having a kid who hated themself/ their own existence? So I had to get less selfish.
I think as an adult (in terms of adult relationships) trying to learn to think in other ways can't be done easily within or after abusive relationships. At best everything gets all scrambled. In non-abusive relationships, there still remains all that risk. And simply not knowing 'how' to do it or risking it, & then practising. What seems to matter a lot is the environment or relationship, if it's not trustworthy or safe it seems counter-intuitive (as in 'worse than death'!!). JMHO though.
Mind you, writing this- & I don't know why I am, to be honest- I know I am 'damaged' or less-than-healthy when it comes to this as per myself, & I personally couldn't withstand anything but the most kind-hearted partner. I know I should toughen-up but even when it comes to family etc I seem to have lost my 'protective coating' that lets the negative stuff bounce off.
Best wishes @Mystery, you are trying something new & doing good! :tup: :hug:
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