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How do you distinguish a gut feeling from a ptsd response?

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Thank you for this thread! This is something that have been at the forefront of my mind lately.

It makes it harder for me when the outcome for something that makes me feel unease is so inconsistent. Even more confusing is when there is a positive outcome. I need to learn to separate Symptoms Vs. Intuitions, but i don't know how due to lack of predictability.
 
I can't.

It's part of what I hate the absolute most about this damn disorder; not being able to trust...

We have to trust our judgement, I know its hard. Ive struggled with this for years and I had to be told I had this issue, i never realised it suprisingly. Im working at it, one painful event at a time haha.


But ive very very recently come to the theory that a lot of us actually have very good intuition, but we are quite emotionally affected by what we witness. (sweating, nervousness etc). So it drives us crazy, and then we question if its real or not (which might also be because people in our life encouraged us not to listen to ourselves)
 
Back when I taught personal security to people working in dangerous places I would talk a lot about intuition and fear. Fear drives a lot of our 'intuitions'. Thats not a bad thing. Fear is a functional protective emotion.

Imagine you are standing in a park with a couple of friends. A stranger approaches obliquely. Your fear driven intuition is that he is up to no good. You discreetly alert your friend to watch her purse. Noting that your friend is now aware of her purse the stranger angles away as if he was never interested in the first place. That is normal fear based intuition.

Now imagine the same situation. But this time when the stranger approaches your 'intuition' screams "Suicide bomber! Suicide bomber!" even though you no longer live anywhere near a place where that is likely. That is a problem. That is the PTSD.

Fear, intuition, gut feelings are all good if they are warranted by your current context. They are only dysfunctional if they are outside your current context.
 
What about when a situation causes you anxiety and you can't figure out for the life of you why? All you know is that 50% of the time you get that feeling something bad happens and 50% of the time it doesn't?
 
This is an interesting thread. I don't consider a response to be from PTSD unless there are physical symptoms along with it. For me, if I'm feeling something very strongly and it feels very real, if I'm also experiencing a tremor, or a breathlessness I know this is PTSD. If I don't have a physical adrenaline rush that causes the tremor and feeling like I can't breathe, then I trust my response. In fact, when I notice my hands are tremoring I basically get out of the situation because I know I'm losing it.

I think I am different in that my PTSD is pretty non-emotional and very physical.

I wonder if the definition of PTSD is changing and more all-encompassing now. I never thought of it in terms of having a bad feeling or negative emotion.
 
physical adrenaline rush that causes the tremor and feeling like I can't breathe
Isn't that what a gut feeling or intuition feels like though. Dread? I don't shake unless things are very sever but i get the adrenaline rush and a feeling of dread. Sometimes there is a legit reason for it, other times not.

Just to specify I am specifically talking about the times, there is no clear and obvious reason for my panic at the time I feel it.

@Deadman,
A stranger approaches obliquely. Your fear driven intuition is that he is up to no good. You discreetly alert your friend to watch her purse.
Unfortunately, I just freeze into inactivity in those situations.
 
Now imagine the same situation. But this time when the stranger approaches your 'intuition' screams "Suicide bomber! Suicide bomber!" even though you no longer live anywhere near a place where that is likely. That is a problem. That is the PTSD.

Fear, intuition, gut feelings are all good if they are warranted by your current context. They are only dysfunctional if they are outside your current context.

Yup. This.

We have to trust our judgement, I know its hard. Ive struggled with this for years and I had to be told I had this issue, i never realised it suprisingly. Im working at it, one painful event at a time haha.
So it drives us crazy, and then we question if its real or not (which might also be because people in our life encouraged us not to listen to ourselves)

Has nothing to do with what other people have told me, just to get that bit out of the way, although I realize you're adding this as a possibility, not a definite. Has everything to do with my responding wrong to the situation at hand.


- I have hurt people because I've misjudged the situation. I've come close to hurting people, more times than I can count.

- I've done nothing when action was required. Due to my inaction? People have been hurt. Badly. Including myself, although that's nowhere near as large a concern to me as failing in my duty of care. I'm not talking freeze response, here. I'm talking mixing up when lethal force is called for, versus when parenting super powers (aka patience & calm restraint) are called for. Meaning you do NOT respond to someone trying to kill you the same way you respond to a child having a temper tantrum.


Those are only a couple of examples. Granted, some more extreme ones, but sadly not uncommon (in my life). There are hundreds of other examples in various classes; hypervig, disassociation, triggered, over reactions & meltdowns/shutting down (stressed / stress cup), paranoia, anxiety attacks, cognitive distortions, depression, rage, suicidal ideation & impulse, ...list goes on. And on. And on. Where time after time I am very much dealing with the consequences of not being able to trust myself & my judgement. Where I have to work around the fact that my judgment is -often- f*cked. Where I have to ignore myself, and my better ideas. Where I have to fight against every instinct screaming at me. Because I know I cannot be trusted. Where I have to painstakingly rebuild myself from the ground up. Veeeeeerry back to basics. I can't even trust my own judgement about when/what/how much/how often to eat. Or sleep. Or what clothes to wear. About how much energy to put into various tasks. What needs doing, and in what order / what is the intrinsic level of importance?

From the most simple of day to day tasks, to the most complex and long running situations... I cannot trust myself.

I agree. Being able to is important. Knowing when I'm not able to, or when my judgment is suspect? Equally important.
 
Back when I taught personal security to people working in dangerous places I would talk a lot about int...

Very informative, thankyou for the parallel situation comparison!

Isn't that what a gut feeling or intuition feels like though. Dread? I don't shake unless things are v...

I would have to agree with fadeaway. after reading your reply I realise that for every accurate gut feeling-intuition response, ive felt a large sense of dread.
if its regarding me confronting a person, then soon after as I progress to doing that I believe some PTSD symptoms will start.
For me I will sweat a lot and have a very mild tremor. *I guess adrenaline*
 
Yup. This.




Has nothing to do with what other people have told me, just to get that bit out of the wa...

Hey Friday thanks for your in depth response! Appreciated.

I understand... Yeah, was a suggestion just because I personally have to deal with that aspect on top of whatever else is going on.

I'm sorry to hear about those experiences.. It's all very painful and extremely draining. To also not know when to trust yourself is horrible as well, like one doesn't know what to believe anymore.

It really rings home for me as well. there was a period of about 2 years where I was very very angry and hyper-vigilant to the point I was sent to a psychiatrist. and i felt like the minority because i'm this frail looking female and apparently more males experience it than females.

Are you getting support for these symptoms?
I went through psychotherapy long term and its reduced the anger/hyper-vigilance a lot. It was at unbearable levels before.

Take care of yourself,

Roslie
 
I would get gut feelings about patients who were going to crash. It would come out of the blue. I would act on it and I know it saved at least 2 people's lives, maybe 3 that were saved because I personally intervened. When I worked with horses, I could tell they were sick before anyone else. The other nurses were talking about my gut feelings, and decided that I was looking at a person and subconsciously noting things other nurses had missed. I chalked it up to hypervigilance, but my T told me I am an empath. Sounded a little "new age" to me, so I stuck with hypervigilance. I have actually known I was an empath all my life, but it's hard to admit.
 
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