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General I Am So God Damn Frustrated!!!

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I've been reading and have now calmed down a bit and feel like I can better express myself without so much emotion. (End note...maybe not.)

Tater is still having a difficult time. It's been one thing after another for weeks. That could be due more to his bad mood turning molehills into mountains rather than tangible things creeping up on him and knocking him back down...though those exist as well.

He's got things going on which have got him scared, concerned, and raging. He got into a fight with his drunk neighbor and had to defend himself from attack with a jab to the neighbor's throat before he could extricate himself from the situation. ATOS is calling several times a day, again! He's having memory issues and doesn't remember what day he did his replen on. And he's fairly isolated from me, emailing every 2 to 3 days and still on the once a month skyping schedule...and therein lies my real problem.

He is volunterily writing me. Or when it's been an unusal amount of days that I haven't heard from him, I'll write and request a line letting me know he's okay. He'll reply instantly which I appreciate very much.

My problem is that I don't feel like the first problem in mid April, which brought me to the board, was fully resolved. I freaked him out with my relationship talk and he threatened to cut it off altogether, if you remember. That's "okay," everyone has disagreements and POVs. And I know now to take what is said while overflowing with a grain of salt. Sucks that it happened, but we did good work building things back up. He was writing nearly everyday from mid May to the beginning of August. Reduced skyping, but I had confidence we would get back there in time. Then the landslide with him started (which thank God, had nothing to do with me doing or saying something to set him off) and it's been cascading ever since.

He says he doesn't want to think about the stuff that's stressing him out, but he won't allow himself to talk, physically, to me because he's down. I can be understanding, but I don't understand! If he wants to stop thinking about THAT, then he should talk to me and we can discuss THIS! I know for a fact that when we skype, even if he starts out in a bad headspace, he will talk it out and vent for 10 minutes, but then he feels a bit better, loosens up, and we chat for hours about whatever, laughing all the while. So that works! Yet he denies himself now. It's so stupid!

I get it! You're stressed to the max. But I've been sooooo damn patient with him, letting him do things on his terms and not pushing, trying to let things run their course, but it's not working. Insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results. The obvious solution to me is a win-win for both of us. TALK TO ME!

I asked him yesterday if he wanted to skype today...as usual (it seems) he's not up to it, he'll "aim for next weekend."

I'm reaching a point where I'm getting very frustrated and starting to take it personally. I can't help but wonder if the not skyping thing is still him exercising his...power? Rules? Illness? over me. He said back in April that we'd only skype once a month, and by God, that's still what we're doing even though I thought it was temporary until he calmed down. Unfortunately, all this shit has kicked up again and he's not calm anymore.

I know, logically, I know, that he's not using his stress and PTSD as a false excuse to not chat with me. Had we not had that good 2.5 months of writing and if he was doing good and jovial now in his letters, that would be another story completely! However, it's gone on so long that now my damn psyche is second guessing everything and is looking for a reason, other than stress, why he isn't talking to me much. It easily seems to forget about the good 2.5 months since Operation Love Bomb and I have to remind myself. It reasons that it's not him because he's still talking to his army buddy every week. So that leaves me as the problem.

He complained to me about his buddy before. He also has PTSD and if he doesn't get enough Tater time he whines until he does. But then when Tater has something he wants to discuss, buddy may not be available for him because he's with his girlfriend. Hello! Double standard much? I am ALWAYS available to Tater...do I need to start whining, too, to get the level of attention that I seek?

Why do they isolate from the person who cares the most? Yeah, his buddy has known him for forever, through thick and thin. They love each other and have a bond forged in fire, but it's different from the love we have for each other...romantic love is obsessive and whole-hearted. It takes over you're entire life (in someone who doesn't have PTSD), for him...I think it made him happy and he could more easily forget his troubles and relax.

Not only is he maybe truly not in a mood to talk, but he thinks he's doing me a favor by not exposing me to his grumpy, angry, scared side - he's actually told me this before. It is the exact opposite of what I need and want though! I need connection and intimacy, which includes his trust that I can handle his emotions. You know what happens when you isolate for loooong periods of time and your partner isn't getting much reassurance that you're still interested in this thing? It fades.

I want to tell him all this. That he needs to make more of an effort to include me because I'm feeling severely neglected. Can I do that, talk it out like a normal relationship? Fook no! That'll send him back into his shell in a blink and if I cross that line, he may never come out again.

Where is the line between giving him the space he needs and being assertive about my own needs? I'd be so happy with skyping every 2 weeks. It's a good step back in the right direction and would bolster my confidence back up. Is that something I can ask for now, when he's stressed? Or will it tip him over the edge?

I'm not going to reply to his email right away, lest I say something not so nice (or needy) and he can't handle it right now. I am upset and insecure. I feel like being immature and petty and not writing at all for a few days. Complete radio silence. I don't want to punish him (or maybe I do), but I also kinda want him to feel the way he makes me feel...assuming not hearing from me would have the same effect...it would certainly be out of the norm.

He needs to know how I feel so he can address it, but I'm at a loss about what to say without him bolting for the nearest exit.

I won't do that. I know it's stupid. But those are the thoughts roaring through my head and I'm sure you've also been there a time ot two as well. Certain people would flame me for saying this kind of stuff - what they don't understand is that there is a difference between being honest with your thoughts and feelings and acting on them. No one is pure and perfect, we all need to vent and make sense of our emotions sometimes. This is mine.
 
You know, Tater has never seen me frustrated or angry before, at least, not directed at him. I'm usually happy and positive, he's seen me confused, hurt, and a bit desperate about "us," understanding towards his needs...but never mad. I wonder what type of reaction that would invoke in him. Not attacking, mind you, sharing my displeasure. Would he realize "Whoa, this is serious, I need to fix this" or would he become defensive? Maybe just choose to ignore it?

That's a rhetorical question, I know no one has the answer. Interesting all the same.
 
May be best to remove yourself from that person's presence, and stressors, for a short while, to emotionally catch your breath. It can be very frustrating, true.
 
I've found with my vet that when I'm feeling like he really doesn't care (due to isolating, rage, whatever...) that if I take a big step back, a deep breath and then wait.... ... ... eventually he will notice and then seek me out.
 
It's so hard... PTSD has it's own damn frustrating timeline. He can't change it, and you can't make him change it. He'll be stressed until he isn't, and nobody gets to decide how long that is but his PTSD.

The hard part is learning to be patient and riding it out... and deciding whether or not you are willing to ride it out.
 
You know, Tater has never seen me frustrated or angry before, at least, not directed at him. I'm usually h...
As I'm reading this my fiancé is literally in our bedroom shutdowb and not speaking to me. I would have more success getting the refrigerator to talk than her. We didn't really have an argument tonight but our relationship has been slowly trying to heal after a trigger event caused her PTSD and after she became this different person when she gets mad or angry or stressed it took our relationship to a dark place. She has been making improvements...but people with PTSD are so focused on healing or getting a grip on themselves that it neglects the relationship and your relationship cannot heal properly...I'm like you im at my limit and I'm so fed up with what are relationship has become that tonight I blurted out how I'm feeling and went on 30 min vent rant on why I'm so closed to being done and of course know she is a ball of silence and here I am on a forum, all I can tell you is what I tell myself...how far am I willing to go for this person? Are they worth it? Is the struggle worth the reward? What is the reward? Do I give up? Why should I work so hard at this when it seems they aren't? I think when the moment comes when we feel we are done we will know...the same feeling you felt when you knew you wanted them an no one else; it'll be the same feeling when you realize you are done...
 
Well said, @ModEcho , you're probably right. One day you wake up and realize you're madly in love and you want to do everything you can to make the relationship work and that's probably the same at the end. Things slowly go down hill and one day you're at peace with letting it go and accepting it's over.

I'm not there yet, not even close. I never did fuss at Tater or let on how I'm feeling. I calmed down and am still trying to give him time to perk back up before addressing our issues in a productive way. I'm focusing on the steamy pile of bullshit in my own life outside of him and he has been supportive and uplifting for me. I did slip in a line about going to see him again and he didn't freak out. Phew!

Good luck, Echo! It's far from easy, but you're not alone.
 
Here's the thing.

He said he would skype once a month. You thought it was temporary, but he meant for it to be long term.

He is going along with things as they are because it's working for him, but for you, it seems like you are just stuffing what you need and now being angry with him for not meeting those needs. They are pretty reasonable things to want, but it's not so reasonable to expect him to know if you don't tell him, or to expect him to do something different than what he said he would do unless you do agree on new levels of communication.

When there is a problem, and one party stuffs it, hoping eventually the other person will finally realize it and change, the party that kept quiet usually ends up frustrated and resentful.

I know why you have not brought this up, as it did really fall apart last time.

Instead of seeing this as something that needs a big talk, there is another way to look at this. He's been clear about what he will and will not do. Have you been clear about what kind of relationship and amount of contact you can and can't not sustain? It may be time to just simply let him know that if he can't increase the amount of Skype calls, then you can't sustain the relationship. The end. Then he knows very clearly what you need and how critical it is.

It doesn't need to be a big relationship talk, but it does seem like you need to tell him clearly that in order to sustain the relationship with him, you need more communication, specifically, Skype calls twice a month, not just once.

Then he gets to decide if he can do it or not, and you get to deicde if you can sustain this relationship too or not.
 
Thanks, @Justmehere, you're 100% correct. I thought I could be patient, give him some time, and things would go back to normal naturally. I was biding my time. Now its been nearly 6 months and its been one hell of a rollercoaster. And "we" crashed and burned at the same time as the rest of my life got turned upside down, so I was stretched quite thin, emotionally.

I want to talk to him and tell him how I'm feeling without making it about the bigger picture. Baby steps. Most of all I miss my bestie. It's true, no one is a mind reader. A lot of us supporters say we wish they would let us in and not hide, I suppose what's good for the goose is good for the gander! He can't know if I don't tell him.

I've been waiting for him to be in what seems to be a good and receptive frame of mind and it's just not happening.... Or maybe that's what I've been telling myself. Then when he is good, I don't want to ruin his good mood or I'm scared to jeopardize what's left. I've gotten mixed results before - sometimes he seems to appreciate it when I take the bull by the horns and sometimes he puts his foot down without discussion and there is no moving him, so I don't know exactly how to proceed. I'll just be honest.

With all that though, I think I'm finally more stable (at least for now!:whistling:) and I think he can be a reasonable man. I'm trying to put aside what he said before, he was overflowing big time. I think we both said things we didn't mean - him pushing me away to save himself from the fear and anxiety and me trying desparately to diffuse the situation. What a mess. Time to be adults and stop tiptoeing around so much. I probably baby him too much. He's a big boy and I need to let him either step up or step off.

Oh Lord, how I hope it is step up! LOL:bag:

That shit storm went down around my birthday last time. Now his is just around the corner. Maybe I should wait to butter him up with the giant party sized bag of peanut butter M&Ms I got him. I got him hooked on those things, he won't be able to refuse me. :p
 
An update if anyone is interested...

Last week, I asked Tater if he wanted to Skype and we agreed that we'd talk this week, but had no specifics set up. Today, he called me, rather out of the blue, given that the plans were so basic. We had a great conversation and he was in a good mood, back to normal. I had decided last week that I needed to bring up the Skyping schedule and let him know that I wished we could get together more often again. As the conversation winded down, I was just about to bring it up when he said he'd call me next week! I thought about just saying, "Okay, great, see you then..." which, I guess I did, but I also added, "...I'd love that because the once a month thing is just too long." And he agreed!!!

I was so happy and stunned that I almost said, "Alright. Love you, bye." Thank God, I didn't! LOL I've told him a few times before, in writing, that I love him, but in person...well, probably not good. Not to mention, I think he's one of those sufferers who doesn't like that word anyway. It adds too much intensity to the situation for him or something, so I've switched to using pet names to express my affection.

So, things are looking up! :smug::smug::smug:
 
Ah! Yes, I can well remember that feeling when I first met my late wife, we were both married at the time, yet there was an attraction, just like a magnet pulling us together.

We were both a bit old for that "young love dreaming stuff" that we all go through when we are younger, but we both knew what was coming, it was like we were meant to be together,.....and thankfully she took the initiative, as I was a bit slow in the uptake?

We had twenty three years of happiness together, before cancer took her away from me.
 
Gadgie, there is nothing like meeting someone when there is an instant mutual attraction and falling in love. It is the best feeling in the world! Alternately, the slightest bump can seem enormous. LOL

I'm glad you two found each other and so sorry it ended. I hope you find each other again someday. Don't be a slow poke next time around!:p :hug:
 
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