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I Don't Know If It's Complex Or Not

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GwenDR

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When I got out of the Navy, everyone assumed I had PTSD. I looked it up and quickly decided I probably did not, as I didn't relive memories of any trauma, though I really didn't understand what that meant at the time. I had started having panic attacks while in the Navy, and they never went away. I'm frequently anxious or fearful. I want to curl up into a ball when I'm startled. People feel dangerous, especially in crowds. Just being near groups of people can fill me with fear, shame, and humiliation.

But my degree of impairment still seems disproportionate. Military is supposed to be hard, and I went through little that most don't. I was in the closet, I had horrendous performance which I blame myself for. I was blocked from qualifying for watches and from standing anything but the junior most watches I was already qualified for, but given bad evaluations because I wasn't meeting the requirements they prevented me from meeting. We did emergency drills every week, fighting pretend fires and flooding, or pretending to destroy the world with a nuclear missile launch. This involved uncomfortable equipment that left you frequently running across the boat with your air cut off. I felt like I screwed something up every day, and would get yelled at by a chief for it. I woke up wondering what I'd be yelled at for that day. I'd completely given up. I shut down completely, silently begging for death to escape. I started self harming. The panic attacks began. And this mindset, this reaction never ended after I did get out of there.

There was an incident when I was very young. It's actually my earliest memory where I'm aware of my thoughts about something. I was probably four, give or take a year. I had a friend, a neighbor a few houses down the street. I remember thinking I should go over and play with him, but not wanting to because he was mean and pushy, and feeling embarrassed and shameful and scared and confused, but that I had to go over there and play because he was my friend.

I have a couple more memories of him, one in his back yard, and one on the sidewalk in front of his house, both with the same mix of emotions. And I remember being in his bathroom, and him taking his pants off and making me put my mouth on his penis. I didn't want to, and I was filled with shame and embarrassment. I don't remember doing it. I don't remember IF I did it. I don't know if it was a one time thing, or something that happened a lot. I think it might have happened more than once.

I always remembered that, but I completely disregarded it. It wasn't important. I wasn't sure it really happened, and even if it had, it hadn't affected me in any way. It was embarrassing, but that's it.

I remember a daydream in kindergarten. It's a creepy dream, but I didn't recognize it as creepy at the time, just really really weird. It wasn't a daydream a kindergartner should ever have. I had it again that night. I remember enjoying it, without understanding why it was enjoyable, so I replayed it several times. It was really bizarre, to be honest. There was a magic camera that made anyone you took a picture of start having bizarre and anatomically impossible sex. I had no idea that's what it was, but it's what was happening. It's embarrassing to talk about it at all.

I never thought anything was weird about the daydream, other than the subject matter, but didn't' think it was important. I had never, ever, connected the first incident with the daydream. Now I'm terrified at the implications of having a daydream with both a camera and sex acts, involving the adult characters.


My entire life, I've reacted to aggressive bullies with shame and embarrassment. I always felt like I had to do what people said, or help them. Not doing so was uncomfortable. In the Navy, I was constantly surrounded by assertive bullies in authoritarian positions, and I had to obey their orders. And I constantly failed at stuff I was supposed to do, and was constantly in trouble because of it.

I wonder if every bully in my life became the kid at the beginning that abused me. I reacted to all of them with the same mix of emotions I remember having when I didn't want to go over to his house, when I didn't want to put my mouth on his penis. I wonder if all those chiefs were that kid, with power over me, who were mean but I had to be on their side. I was trapped with them, in a closed off environment in the middle of the ocean, over and over again for five years, wanting to die.
 
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Have you been officially diagnosed with PTSD? Self-diagnosis is not something I consider valid. When we look back at ourselves we can see such a myriad of ailments that only a trained eye can decide if they are legitimate or not.
 
You're absolutely right, I'm in the process of a formal evaluation, but don't know yet. I've been having major anxiety over the process, and keep thinking over all the possibilities, which is counterproductive for the reasons you mentioned. A trained eye, however, is in the process of deciding.
 
Gwen, what are you doing to quell some of this anxiety?.
You have every reason to be concerned..but what are you doing to help calm yourself in the meantime?
S9methong as simple as deep breathing helps.
A deep breath thru your nose..hold for 8 seconds..slowly exhale thru your mouth. Do this until you start to feel calmer.
The dignosis will come and you will get therapy and proceed on your healing journey regardless of the capital letters.
Take care of yourself. I'm sure there are threads here about self care.
Its crazymaking waiting...but take care of yourself I'm the meantime
 
I'm okay now. I managed to finally actually realize and recognize how much I was worrying about stuff, including the diagnosis, earlier today, but after I posted this. I hadn't actually consciously recognized I was doing an excessive amount of worrying until then. Making that realization was a little embarrassing, but necessary. Having recognized it, I'm not noticing when I start to worry intrusively, recognizing the feeling, and setting it aside, instead of just let it take over unquestioned.

I do need to learn some of those grounding exercises, and plan on asking about that tomorrow after some sleep. Have a good one, and thanks for trying to tell me what I needed to hear. I'm listening now.
 
@Gwen D Renee You asked if it was complex or not. Reading your post I would think C-PTSD but that is just what I think. I do know C-PTSD didn't make it into DSM V so you may not get that diagnosis. As a veteran, if you felt like you incurred this in service or incidents are noted in your STR's, then the VA health side can certainly treat you and you could also file with the VBA side.

I hope you're receiving therapy and I truly wish you well.
 
When I got out of the Navy, everyone assumed I had PTSD. I looked it up and quickly decided I prob...
I was constantly bullied as a toddler, preschooler and on up. I always felt I had to do what anyone told me to do or I feared i would be abused or made to feel guilty if i did not. So fear ruled over me. I did things i did not want to do out of guilt or fear all the time bc i would receive physical or verbal or emotional abuse if i did not do them. This was my life all through childhood and adolescence. I have been diagnosed complex PTSD. I went to a Trauma Center and took a 45 min computerized test that promptly diagnosed me. Before that, I had been misdiagnosed many times by real time psychiatrists. That computer test changed my life!!! I finally was correctly diagnosed and am now recovering.
 
I'm going to guess that this was the same kind of standardized 'inventory' testing that one does man...
bc of anonymity I do not wish to share the town. It was a multiple choice computer test: "did you ever fear your life was in danger? If so rate how strongly you were upset by this", etc. Various questions assessing previous traumas and how severely they upset the test taker. I thought perhaps this was standard, but i dont really know. Any other time i saw a psychiatrist, they just asked me verbal questions to assess, and they never even had trauma on their radar....
 
No worries - I understand the desire to maintain confidentiality.

Any other time i saw a psychiatrist, they just asked me verbal questions to assess, and they never even had trauma on their radar....
That's unfortunate.

There are a number of written tests - generally answered by a scale, a sort of 'yes always', 'yes sometimes', 'not usually', 'rarely', 'never' scale. Questions relating to a number of mental health issues; certain scores on certain tests would indicate the possibility of one kind of diagnosis, or another.

They are commonly issued at an intake for any hospital program. Many psychiatrists also use them as an intake tool. It sounds like you never had a psychiatrist give you a thorough intake; it's great that you eventually had one, even if by computer.

Those results are always best accompanied by a human review/interview - which is why it's not enough for a person to just take a test they might find on the web and self-diagnose.

Anyway - yeah, it's good you eventually got asked the right questions. :)
 
They are commonly issued at an intake for any hospital program. Many psychiatrists also use them as an intake tool. It sounds like you never had a psychiatrist give you a thorough intake; it's great that you eventually had one, even if by computer.
:)

Neither the Navy nor the VA have ever, to this point, done any formal screening or evaluation. It had seemed odd. But like I said, we're about to actually do the screening that should have been done in the first place.
 
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