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I Need Validation: A Rant

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Sqweak

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I can't really talk to people. I don't trust them and sometimes it's hard for me to even trust my friends. Yet every once and a while I'll meet someone one who peeks my interested and I'll let them in; feeling in the back of my mind that it could be a bad idea. And most of the time- I'm right.

The back-story:
I met this guy, Decent. He seemed friendly, but aren't they always? We started a conversation and one thing led to another so we exchanged phone numbers. Our connection wasn't instance. I thought he was nice but I didn't feel anything intimate toward him. He called me late one night; we got to talking and realized he didn't live too far from me. So he invited himself over to play video games and watch movies.

After my traumatic experiences I feel like my sense have been heighted. Which I guess is the polite way of saying I'm always paranoid. I had this feeling that he didn't just come over to hang out. So I played nice for a while pretending as if I didn't expect otherwise. I sat there as he grabbed my sides and touched my back. After the first few minutes my brain had left my body. I saw what was happening but I wasn't in my body long enough to do something about it. When I could talk, I tried to advert his attention to another subject but that sorry " so do you have a boyfriend" line kept getting in the way. It went on like this for a while. I could have told him to get the hell out of my house. I could have told him to keep his hands off but I did none of those things. Not once did I stand up to protect myself.

He didn't leave that night. He played on my sympathies. He argued that he walked all the way over in the rain. It was almost 4 in the morning- blah, blah blah. So, again instead of doing the right thing I let him sleep over. It was hard to sleep. I could feel him tussling behind me. He would throw his hands over my waist, touching my bare skin. His eructation was pressing against my back and I felt like there was no getting out it, it set off my ticks. It triggered an attack but instead of freaking out I just laid there paralyzed.

It went on like this for a while. He would call me at 12 am on a school night- tell me he was hungry or bored. I would invite him over-I would pay for the food with the money I don't really have. He would stay over and again and again he would do all the same things. Pat my ass after I'd push him way. Hug me, when I didn't want him to. Finally I got up the nerve to tell him that what he was doing made me uncomfortable. I told him I liked him as a friend but in the past few years I have been through a lot and I wasn't looking for anything. No relationships, no sexual contact- nothing. I guess this statement made very little sense. He would say things that made me feel guilty. He would bring up my past sexual conquest I'd mentioned in late night conversations as a reason for his behavior. He would do this thing when he spoke. Like an inflated cartoon character, he would whine until I couldn't take it anymore I didn't find it endearing or cute, I actually thought it was quite pathetic but again, If I had just blew him like all the many others before he wouldn't act the way did so often. It was my fault. I was sending mixed signals and he was confused.

I could not believe I had just let this Gangly Succubus in my life...

RANT:
- You would assume that once you meet an adult you could talk about adult things and keep level headed. (Or is that just too much to ask). I never think that in being honest with someone I would so often have these things thrown and smeared in my face. And yet I'm proven wrong.

-No, NO my signals weren't mixed. I confided in what seemed like a decent person of my past. My friends and other life stories because it's important for me to stay honest and forthright. These are things I couldn't tell my own mother. But he presented himself as a person that could be trusted those first few days. Though every once and a while his true intentions would show their face but I’m just so stupid, stupid enough to let it roll right off my back.

The End
I finally broke 2-3 weeks ago. I had, had enough and over something so mundane like accidentally leaving his keys at my place on our way out. I completely lost it. To make a long story short I told him that I didn't like the way he treated me and his overall attitude was intolerable and I wanted him to piss off. We sent text messages back and forth and in that moment I realized that this person I had only known for 2 months. This person I hadn't even had sex with was manipulating me like we had been in a relationship for a years. He wiggled an apology out of me. Four hours of texting I deflated and gave him what he was so desperately looking for:

"I'm sorry you left your keys at my house, I’m sorry I pressured you in to telling me if you would be okay without them until i got home. I'm sorry I’ve sent you mixed signals," lalalalala
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Dissociative powers activate!


Did I mean a stitch of it? f*ck no- but finally I got him to go away. It's been well over a two weeks and I hadn't heard anything from him. Until last night, I got a phone call at 3am and then another this morning and a text message this afternoon. He said he was just checking up on me to see how I was.

If my phone wasn't so expensive and I didn't have this unjustifiable emotional attachment to it; I would have launched it across the room. Why, why is it once I put my foot down, It’s never enough? I want to call him to tell him no. No I don't want anymore contact with you go away! But I have this feeling that it's going to turn into this long and drawn out conversation about how I’m wrong and crazy and he's going to try to weasel his way into my existence again.

Am I wrong and crazy for ignoring this person? For cutting them out completely- I’m starting to feel as if I am. I feel guilty for not giving him a good reason as to why I want him to D.I.A.F and stay there. But at the same time I feel as if I did the right thing. Maybe a little late but I did it nonetheless. I need validation; I think I'm just driving myself crazy because I'm a weird loser.

I don't know, Thanks for listening anyway.
 
I don't really know your story, but this sounds soooooo similar to my last experience with a guy I have cut out of my life as well. He would do the same things...grab me and hug me without bothering to check if I actually wanted a hug or to be cuddled...it was all about HIS needs and desires anyway...entitlement issues. I'm small, petit, and often big men tend to think this means they can just do whatever they want with me, and not even ask, which messes with my brain and makes me think that behavior is totally normal, when it's not!

I think, as females we are conditioned to be overly submissive, and to never say 'no' even when we want to. What WE want has never been given any importance, so it makes it easier to understand why we fail to take what WE want and need seriously, because of the fear of being labelled 'selfish'. This is a huge one with females.

I go through stages where I'm good at saying no to basic stuff, but when it comes to men, I have real trouble speaking up for myself. I improved at times with the last guy, but not when he would actually DO stuff to me. I felt like I just froze and even though I knew it's not what I wanted, I felt like I couldn't say no to him. He had this entitlement about him that f*cked with my head...very manipulative.

As females, it is very hard to know what signals we are sending sometimes. Often the signals we send are unconscious, and it takes a huge amount of awareness and personal integrity to be able to know what we are sending out and how it may be interpretted. Kudos for being honest enough with yourself to ask the question.

It sounds like you did send him mixed messages. men need to be given very clear actions...not just words...or they won't "get it" most of the time. You didn't say no the first time, so that to him was a clear signal to go ahead with what he was doing, and he probably thought you wanted him...or else you would have said no and pushed him away. You went back, so that taught him that he can easily rope you back in anytime he wants.

It's all learning though, so hopefully you will know better for the next time it happens.

Building up your self-confidence can help with feeling more able to express a clear NO if you are not feeling it...and this takes time. Have you considered taking a martial arts class?
 
Oh, I am SOOOOO glad to hear you broke it off! That was a way unhealthy relationship for you - but you already know that. Calling at 3am is inappropriate, especially after you've been told to go away. I think calling him and putting your foot down is what you need to do - to get through to him and to protect yourself and prove that you CAN do this. Be stubborn - envision yourself as a mule. Don't explain yourself, don't let him weasel his way around his feelings. You've already talked about this and he can refer back to that conversation. And when you're ready to get off the phone because you're done dealing with him, say good bye and hang up. Seriously, someone you want to DIAF does not belong in your life and there is no obligation for you to keep him around. Let him leach off someone else.

EDIT: Mmmmm... kinda having a weird night so I'm sorry if I'm coming off weird.
 
I'm definitely shy and I have a lot of other things going on that make it hard for me to say no when I need to. When situations like that arise I'm normally so Dumbfounded by what's happening I’m rendered speechless. I can see how I sent him mixed signals in certain respects but not enough to justify his actions I don't think? He was just, Ugh manipulative and I feel like I let it go on too long. It's driving me crazy. I'm not a small person but on the completely different end of the scale, I am a fat person. I think men see women like me and assume " got it! She’s easy" There is this sad and unfortunate rumor going around that a fat girl will take it when she can get. So I'm always anxious and willing- therefore anything goes. Sadly I’ve encountered a lot of this in my short lifetime. I don't need martial arts; I'm pretty fluent in jerry Springer chair flinging and the subtle art of b**ch Slapping, so I can hold my own. It's the actual doing it part thats difficult.

Thank you so much for taking the time to comment that means a lot.
 
EDIT: Mmmmm... kinda having a weird night so I'm sorry if I'm coming off weird.

Lol, no not at all, Thank you for replying back to me. I think I will be taking your advice. I Just don't want this person around any more and I’ve made up my mind <3
 
Whew. Glad I didn't come across too crazy. If you want, you might want to set a timer for how long you're willing to allow the conversation to go on for. Ding and you're done.
 
I'm definitely shy and I have a lot of other things going on that make it hard for me to say no when I need to. When situations like that arise I'm normally so Dumbfounded by what's happening I’m rendered speechless.

I hear you. I'm just like this as well. usually I don't even know what happened until later on, and THEN I work out what I 'should have done'...and kick myself.

I can see how I sent him mixed signals in certain respects but not enough to justify his actions I don't think? He was just, Ugh manipulative and I feel like I let it go on too long.

he sounds slimey. I'm sure his actions weren't justified. It sounds like he took advantage of your shy nature, and just assumed he could do whatever he wanted. Asshole! Guys like this make me sick to my stomach.

It's driving me crazy. I'm not a small person but on the completely different end of the scale, I am a fat person. I think men see women like me and assume " got it! She’s easy"

Yes, unfortunately, this is how a LOT of people operate in society, and I'm sorry you have to be in that reality where people just assume you will take anything you can get because of your size. You definitely deserve someone that meets your standards, like we all do.

There is this sad and unfortunate rumor going around that a fat girl will take it when she can get. So I'm always anxious and willing- therefore anything goes. Sadly I’ve encountered a lot of this in my short lifetime.

It's shameful really that so many guys think this way.

I don't need martial arts; I'm pretty fluent in jerry Springer chair flinging and the subtle art of b**ch Slapping, so I can hold my own. It's the actual doing it part thats difficult.

Thank you so much for taking the time to comment that means a lot.

No problem. I had a good laugh when I read about your bitch slapping talents...it's an art form!:D
 
I sat there as he grabbed my sides and touched my back.

This is the moment right here where you know something is badly wrong.

There's a certain ettiquette to male/female relationships that we've lost in modern days that I think needs to be revived.
He didn't ask you on a date, and you didn't agree to a date, so no touchy no feely!!! At all. Friends don't grab friends' bodies. He was wrong, not you. According to strictest manners, a man is not even supposed to shake a woman's hand unless she offers her hand to him! Well enough grabbing for her bra while playing video games! Good grief.

Another old fashioned rule is that men and women "friends" are never alone together unless they are in a relationship (married, for the strictest, but definitely in a relationship.) To be alone with a guy you've only known for a few days, or even a couple weeks or months is dangerous! Psychotic killers come across as very nice people- right up until they handcuff you to the bed. (or is this my PTSD hyperalertness talking?) When you started disassociating because he was groping you and rubbing his body parts all over you, there was no one there to help you. You were alone with him and helpless, and yes, the jerk was taking total advantage of it.

Forget the whole mixed signals thing- what on earth made the guy think he could come over to your house, not bring a gift, not bring flowers, no courting behavior whatsoever, and then rub his gross body parts all over you in bed?!?!?!?! What's the world coming to? Where is chivalry? Where is respect for a woman's modesty and privacy? Bleagh.

Yes, he was totally using you. Block the f***er off your cell phone, would be my advice. He's bad news. I'm glad you managed to cut it off, and I hope as you heal that you will be able to find friends who respect you as a person and not use you like a sex toy. I'm so sorry this happened to you.

Sending a big hug. (If I sound mad, it's because I'm mad at the guy- not you. Sorry if I do.)

Angela
 
Sqweak, here is how I see it.

Yes, you absolutely have sent this guy mixed signals, without question. That is now out of the way.

Yes, this guy has manipulated you, however; you are your own worst enemy from the sounds of it, because you are putting yourself in extremely dangerous situations due to what I could only conclude, is due to your low self esteem at present. An area I would extremely advise you to work hard on, quickly.

You did excellent at times by asserting yourself, though you also went to the opposite ends, aggressive, then back to passive. You can be manipulated at passive, you can cause great damage at aggressive. Assertive is where you want to be near constantly.

You made some huge mistakes by letting a guy stay over when you have only known them such a short time, and had no intentions of getting into a relationship with them. What is in your head, is not what may be in the others head... and that is where someone like yourself ends up raped. Rape is not your fault, but you absolutely can have blame in putting yourself within specific conditions in the first place.

You actually identified and rationalised all the correct things, you seen the signs, you concluded logical outcomes and commonsense, but then you allowed a person to manipulate you. That is about your only downfall, and something you need to work on.

We all want companionship, however; at what cost? Male / female friendships are extremely rare, and what I mean by that, is that they are extremely rare where one or the other has other intent, desires another intent, is hanging around and hope the friendship develops. We see it on the movies... though it is just that, the movies. Male / Female relationships at the friendship level is rare outside of also a sexual relationship, ie. your partner often does become your best friend, though you are also sleeping with them, you are having a relationship, not a friendship. Yes, it can happen, however; stick with the facts... "extremely rare".

The simple facts for testing this would be, if the female said to the male, f*ck me as friends, and the male said ok, then the friendship is not what you thought it was, because friends would not do that, because the outcome is the breakdown of that friendship by confusing sex into the dynamics. Not logical, not sensible, not commonsense. Men can be best friends with men, women can be best friends with women, men and women together, 99.9% of the time, one is saying friend, but wanting more, even for years... steer back to the above ultimate question from the female, to really test the dynamics of the friendship. Even the vice versa... if its the female hoping for more, and the male said f*ck me, nothing more, remain friends, and the female said, "ok", the relationship is not what its supposed to be, being a true friendship. Sex and friendship do not go together unless used in the same sentence as relationship vs. friendship.

Learn assertive techniques, take control of your life, don't allow any person to manipulate you, don't put yourself in situations when your instincts are telling you that its all bad. Don't put yourself in it. Males don't want to cuddle females and support them, unless they are family / relationship, or they want to have sex at some point, on an ongoing basis to the point of sleeping with you.
 
Males don't want to cuddle females and support them, unless they are family / relationship, or they want to have sex at some point, on an ongoing basis to the point of sleeping with you.

This is certainly true. And, altogether, a much more balanced view point than my original comments. Sorry.
 
@anthony & Angel

No, please don't be sorry. I much appreciated both of your responses and perspectives, Thank you for commenting.
 
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