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I'm Leaving Ptsdforum.com

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Megan

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I'm leaving PTSDForum.com .stop. For many reasons. stop.
One of the reasons why I am leaving is because of the stupid grammar. I'm sorry but I do not have Dictionary 24/7 to look up every stupid thing. stop. People nit pick on the stupidest thing. Instead of trying to help people with their real life issue's they nit pick on the stupidest things like grammar. I'm soooo freaking sorry that I do not have a dictionary on hand 24/7 for stupid things like freaking grammar. I have been notified a few dozen times for things that I really don't have time for. For instance, capitalization for the stupidest thing.

I thought this forum was supposed to help people with their problems, as a support group, not nit pick on people's freaking grammar. I believe it's stupid because someone can be upset about something and the forum people, oh sorry you didn't put a period at the end of the sentence or didn't use the right capitalization in front of the website.

I found that forum people can nit pick people w/o realizing it can hurt more than it does good. Well. I'm leaving the forum. Forums are for stupid people. Report me all you want to the forum board because I'm done. You pissed off someone who needed help... I'm sorry but this forum does more harm then good.

GOOD BYE!
 
I thought this forum was supposed to help people with their problems, as a support group, not nit pick on people's freaking grammar. I believe it's stupid because someone can be upset about something and the forum people, oh sorry you didn't put a period at the end of the sentence or didn't use the right capitalization in front of the website.

I found that forum people can nit pick people w/o realizing it can hurt more than it does good. Well. I'm leaving the forum. Forums are for stupid people. Report me all you want to the forum board because I'm done. You pissed off someone who needed help... I'm sorry but this forum does more harm then good.

GOOD BYE!

((Megan))I'm sorry, You are not the only one who feels this way.
 
I'm sorry that you are leaving. I have said a few times that I've found for myself that the basic spelling and grammar rules are a good way to help me learn to stop and focus. At first I was not use to it and like you thought WTF??

However, I realized that it was helping me after awhile and I get it. There are a lot of people who are sincerely moving forward on this forum so I think "stupid" certainly doesn't fit but you are upset so there you are. There are many forums that don't care how you post but this is one of the safest I have found. I hope you rethink this or find the support that fits you better. I'll miss you.

Take good care.
Peace,
Rain
 
If you were having a face-to-face conversation with someone and they were going deep into the details of their trauma nobody would ever stop to correct their grammar. I think that happens here, even though I'm sure it's not the intention of the moderation.
 
Megan I'm sorry you are leaving however your choice is your choice.

It is your choice not to capitalize a letter, use paragraph breaks, periods or whatever you choose to complain about.

What confuses me when people get vocal like what is happening here is knowing that upon registration they agreed to the terms and conditions, one of which is the writing rules. The rules which are set at a basic standard to aide readability for people who have a traumatized brain. This means their minds are overloaded at times so making text readable assists them.

To be honest I don't see what the big deal is asking you to write in a basic acceptable format being an adult. There is definite dramatization to some degree as no one is asking you to carry a dictionary nor are we the spelling police. Readability is important for participation but the rules do not state you have to be a spelling champion and a dictionary aides spelling not basic grammar which is a forum rule.

I hope you calm down and come back to reap the benefits of the forum. If not, all the best.
 
Hi Megan, I can understand your frustration, especially if you're going through a tough time right now. Grammar can seem so insignificant compared to the issues you're facing, and I guess notifications to correct mistakes when you're hoping to receive a response to the stuff you wrote can be really annoying.

Having said that, it really IS important for this forum to have this rule. Think of it this way - you (and a lot of others) are having initial problems dealing with having to be conscious of basic grammar and spelling when all you want to focus on is the problems you're facing.

Yet others on this forum get frustrated or confused because the lack of capitals and basic grammar is unreadable to them. What should stand out on the page clearly becomes a jumble of words that aren't making sense, or send a message that wasn't intended by the writer.

Whether a sufferer or supporter, it is highly likely that emotions are running high when on this forum. The best way to gain any sense out of feedback or advice when in emotional turmoil is clarity.
Clarity avoids further emotional turmoil and misunderstandings.

It is for that reason Anthony and Nicolette implemented some simple rules. To ensure everyone has the best possible chance of being "heard" and understood by others.

If you could stay on a little longer, get past the frustration and practice the basic principles of grammar and punctuation required here you'll find it becomes easy. A little like some of the stuff our therapists ask us to do and we initially resist or "buck" because we don't see the relevance to our healing or it jut seems too hard. Eventually when we remove that resistance and give it a go, the value of the task "clicks".

I'm not sure if you saw the picture I posted in another thread about this. It shows really clearly how a message can get totally misunderstood by the simple omission of an apostrophe. I've pasted it below. Please reconsider your decision and stay with us.

punctuation.webp
 
It is someone's choice whether or not to try to adhere to the standards of any community.

I have trouble, especially when upset, slowing down enough to think through how to type. But there are several great reasons why it is a good idea for me to try anyway.

The mental exercise of forcing ourselves to be mindful of our grammar helps us 'slow down' and 'notice' what we are feeling. There is good evidence that it helps to keep our analytical side engaged enough to decrease our level of distress 'in the moment'...and hence, can help with processing difficult memories or situations.

There are many people using assistive devices to view the web. If I use poor grammar, spelling, formatting, etc., the area of the web I have just mucked up becomes difficult for their assistive devices to work with. I have no desire to cause their readers to lock up their computers, or exclude them from the discussion, or otherwise make their lives difficult just because I 'didn't feel like it.'

How we interact here is practice for my real life in the real world. How I present myself on here is how I present myself everywhere. Here, I can get good feedback on behavior which isn't likely to help me out there. But in real life, people are likely to just say nothing, go away mad, or maybe decide not to associate with me anymore. That won't help me be more functional and maintain healthier 'relationships.'

I get annoyed by rules - often - but I've also got a monster-sized ego at times. I find one of my most damaging character defects that has created real isolation in my life is that I am always looking for what I feel I'm 'entitled' to. This is a characteristic of Adult Children of Alcoholics, and it is really off-putting to co-workers, friends, teachers, and others who would otherwise like to help me or be in my circle of friends.

Having to learn to 'play by the rules' here and in real life is helpful in learning the basics of how to be accepted by a group. These are all lessons I did NOT get growing up, and I've had to learn them by failing...sometimes, in very painful situations.

I hope you'll choose to look inward, Megan, at just what your inner self is telling you.

I know why I would want to walk away from from a free resource that offers so much potential help - while only asking that I adhere to the standards that help the greater group function. It isn't the standards that I want to run away from, here and in life.

For me, when I've got a problem with people, places, things that would otherwise be good for me, it's usually rooted in fear. But my psyche is really good at finding something to 'blame' it on to give me the rationalization needed to feel completely justified in giving that 'thing' the finger and walking away.

I did this in sobriety, in outpatient treatment....in therapy. But I always found out afterwards it was me.

Whatever your choice, I wish you healing, support, and many happy memories ahead of you.
 
Megan, what is supportive about this forum, is that everybody here has PTSD or supports sombody with PTSD. So if we make a mistake in any way, shape, or form, I feel people here understand. In the wider world and on other forums, if people don't understand what you're talking about, or take offense at what you are sharing, they can be very personal in their criticism. Here, you are protected from that, because of the system that is in place to make you aware of a mistake, without making it a personal judgement.

If we were all perfect, none of us would have sought help in the first place. Saying I have PTSD is saying, I'm stuck, I've tried to get over it and tried to be perfect, but I feel I need someone to show me how to do that. Providing rules to help us communicate more effectively, is something that could be helpful.
 
I don't normally comment on these type of threads - it's always seemed safer to stay out of it and not risk embroiling myself in controversy from which I might not escape!

And I think others have said much of what needs to be said on this issue.

I can honestly say that this forum is quite unlike any I have come across before. If nothing else, its size and "busyness", its type and number of features and functionality and all of the various rules and regulations took a long time to figure out in the first place, particularly for a relative technophobe like myself.

Do I think that some of the rules are overly pedantic? Yes, I do.
Do I think they are well intended and, for the most part, constructive and appropriate? Yes, I do.
Have I ever felt that someone has been unfairly treated? Yes, I have.
Have I ever thought that swift action by a moderator has preserved safety of this forum under threat? Yes, I have.

Have I ever felt anxious myself about my role here and possibly falling foul of the rules? Yes, I have.

I've been "notified" twice from memory - once for quoting an entire post (have no idea how that happened) and once for writing in a nonapproved font (no idea how that happened either).

Part of my own concern is that I use a screenreader device which is less than 100% compatible with any forum-based website, and which has some flaws in the case of this site which potentially expose me to breaking the rules. It doesn't always allow me to monitor features such as font style, much less notify me why suddenly it might have reverted to using something other than the approved standard. It sometimes goes "screwy" when I'm trying to quote, hence my choice to avoid doing so as far as possible. Hell, sometimes it even just "stops talking" for no reason!!

For these reasons, it is sometimes impossible for me to check that I have complied with all of the rules, and yes, this does bother me, and sparks a degree of indignance when I do make an error... afterall, how can I fix something I had no idea was even happening.

Thus far, I have been lucky and my infractions have been minor and few. Should it ever become more of an issue, for whatever reason, I sincerely hope that all parties will be able to address and resolve the issue in a civil and constructive manner.

Undoubtedly, if we were to gather 8075 people (according to this morning's statistics) in a room and ask them to interact, under conditions of extreme emotional and psychological stress and suffering, for extended periods of time, there would be conflict, miscommunication, exclusion, awkwardness and unease, almost definitely on a much much much greater scale than we ever witness them here. In large part, I believe that is due to the atmosphere of almost military rigidity which is maintained here. Sorry, but that's how I see it - it's not a criticism, or a compliment, just an observation. Just as in a military unit of that size, I believe it is the only way to maintain order and ensure productivity.

Let's face it, this is not a democracy, nor does it attempt or presume to be. I remember reading the rules upon subscription and rather bemusedly thinking that exact thought, and now, after several months as an active and committed member, my view is the same.

This is not my forum. I take no credit for it, nor am I accountable for it in any way. I choose to be here, or not, and I must weigh up the consequences of my choice and choose the option which most favours me.

If I don't like a rule, or believe a member has been treated fairly, too bad. I either get over it and shut up, choose to take a stand and risk being banned, or sit and stew and feel bitterand resentful. I try to always choose the first option, reminding myself that it is my choice to stay or go, and that is one aspect of control which is mine and mine alone.

It makes me really sad to see members feeling they are being attacked by moderators, moderators feeling they are being attacked by members, etc. It makes me even sadder to see people leave, whether by force or by disgruntled choice. Part of my saddness is my own issue - I know that for so many of us, perceptions of safety vs unsafety are overwhelmingly dominant forces in our lives, and for some of us, this can feel like one of the few safe places in the world. To see another begin to experience this place as unsafe for whatever reason is vicariously triggering for me and potentially devastating for that person.

But it also makes me sad because I do genuinely believe that this is likely one of the best, most productive, safe and educative forums out there on the Internet, and I've been crawling inconspicuously around on the Net for years now, so feel I have a fairly good comparison base against which to make this judgment. Sure, I may be wrong, there may be other equally good places out there, and I hope so, for the sake of those who do not feel comfortable here. But for those who are sufferers or supporters of PTSD, I believe this is a precious resource which we should all have the opportunity to enjoy, and to see that opportunity terminated or restricted by a struggle between the right to freedom of speech, thought and action, vs the right to control and regulate, is really sad.

Personally, this forum is really quite special to me, not only because of its support and sense of safe community, but, on a very practical level, because it *is* accessible to me as a screenreader user, and many many less structured forum and chat sites and services are not. I know that the effort made by Anthony to ensure that this site is compliant, accessible and with what I consider to be extremely advanced functionality, affects only a meagre percentage of the user population. But as one of that meagre percentage, I cannot overstate how significant this is.

So I'll swallow my self righteous indignation when my screenreader decides to play a silly joke on me and write in pink and purple font, I'll choose to feel only silent defensiveness when I read a rebuke from a moderator that seems unnecessarily harsh, and I'll try to play by the rules I didn't set but agreed to comply with, because it's my choice, and it costs me far far less than it earns me to do so.

And if I ever choose not to do these things, I'll choose to leave, or to accept the possibility that I may be removed.

And I'll say a shameless thanks to all of you, owners, moderators and members, who help to make this site what it is. It's humbling to admit the significance that a bunch of people I have never met and whose real names I don't even know, have had and are having on my life.

Maddog
 
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