Inside Out, The Movie; Wow, What Did You Think?

[Eleanor]

Oooh - I'm a hardcore Ekman fan, so that statement gets my attention!

I'm not aware of Paksepp's wo...

Jaak Panksepp. He has done a lot of work with dogs, and then a TON of rat work. Ekman went looking for basic emotion in universal facial expressions. Panksepp thinks of emotions as "emotional response systems" that reflect complex feeling and action potential reactions to environmental stimuli in the pursuit of particular sorts of physiological needs. His emotions each have separate and distinct neural and functional systems. Here is a friendly introduction:
http://discovermagazine.com/2012/may/11-jaak-panksepp-rat-tickler-found-humans-7-primal-emotions

Here is more scholarly piece: Link Removed and this one
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Here is the TED talk:

That should get you started...:):geek:

 

[Eleanor]

I like Panksepp better because he looks at how the emotions work evolutionarily - and because there is continuity between human and other animal emotions. I also like Panksepp better because he looks at emotions as part of a whole Process....

 

[Tinyflame]

I have to come back to this @Eleanor , thank you. :hug:

"When you cry, it's a way of signalling that you need help. The fact that you didn't get help when you cried is not because there's something wrong with you, but because there was something wrong with your situation."

I'm not sure when it isn't one's experience, how helpful that part of the movie was.

I know too, for me, growing up it wasn't just say, a fear of negative consequences to cry, but rather rewarded & reinforced as 'brave'. And as an adult, I've seen such crocodile tears, I cringe. A friend of mine said to me once, referencing his mom's funeral & others', "I find the biggest criers (there) had the least to do with the person in their life".

You have emotional pain when someone close to you dies, when you've very loved pet gets hit & killed by a car, when a loved spouce leaves you.

But ths is what I mean, such pain, is it not really a combination of the factors or emotions that cause the pain? Here, grief, sadness, despair, perhaps shock & horror, fear, with a death; in the case of the dog guilt; rejection or abandonment by the spouse, feelings of inferiority or failure, anger, disappointment, feelings of incompetency or fear of the unknown, etc?

If we do not look more deeply or ask ourselves honestly, can we ever hope to manage such pain?

But then again, do we risk losing the ability to live passionately, spontaneously, if we reduce our understanding to an intellectual level? I've heard it said we intellectualize to avoid. I do wholeheartedly think knowledge is power, but we're limited by what exists within knowledge, we can't recognize or name what we do not know exists.

Idk, I've heard people say we need emotions like a fish needs a bicycle. But a lot of the trouble seems to come from self-judgment of the emotions themself, or not recognizing them at all, or stuffing them, or beliefs about having them. But I think we need to live, with passion & conviction & awe & love & curiosity & creativity & energy, etc, like a fish needs water. (It's a shame- no 'fishy' emoticon. ;):) )

:hug: 's to all.

 

[scout86]

You have emotional pain when someone close to you dies, when you've very loved pet gets hit & killed by a car, when a loved spouce leaves you.

I can relate to that, I guess. But, like "Sadness", I've always just thought of that as "the price you have to pay if you're going to let something or someone be important to you."

When the main character cries, her family supports her.

That scene actually kind of made my skin crawl. It was hard to watch.

Jaak Panksepp.

Pretty interesting! It's nice to see someone working on this stuff who isn't a species chauvinist (I wouldn't call that "tickling" with the rats though. It's something else. Tickling is extremely unpleasant and I can't imagine they'd seek it out.).

 

[lostforgottensoul]

I can relate to that, I guess. But, like "Sadness", I've always just thought of that as "the price you have to pay if you're going to let something or someone be important to you".

Nope, its pain if that "imporant person" leaves or dies or something like that and there isnt a "price" that one must pay to allow someone to become important to them and its rather healthy to anyway. If there were a "price" no one would lol.

 

[Tinyflame]

Thank you @Eleanor I watched the Ted Talk, & good he is still living!

Of course animals have comparable emotions, I can't believe people don't realize that, even intuitively. Reminds me when they say 'dogs don't dream' -? :eek: . I think they must have never owned a dog! And there's some saying like, "Don't call yourself a peace maker when you have a dead animal on your plate." (As I make hamburger for my dog. :eek: :rolleyes: )

Seriously though, really liked it. Interesting theory, panic -> SI. Think he might be right. Now what to do/ how to begin on that?

I know, too, addiction is implicated in under-stimulated reward centre. So is impulsivity.

My mom couldn't breast feed, too much running round, too low body weight. Preemies. Too low Vitamin E & smoking too, in those days. Plus I think smoking often meets a biochemical need.

I kind of feel totally confused as to what I should have learned from that movie now? Other than we are 'good', our emotions are good, & are trying to help us the way they know how. Idk? :confused: Not to stuff, to have balance. But I suppose it was from a normal/ non (severe) trauma perspective. Or rather a normal 'traumatic experience' , with much support, & previous good memories, being loved, healthy boundaries, good modeling, parental supervision, no abuse, & no vicimization, continuity & predictability.

I wonder if core memories could be defining moments, in terms of encoding?

@scout , they do say True love is painful. That is, even if you don't fall out with one another, one usually dies first.

 

[BlueOrange]

Ohhh, @scout86 , I feel very sad when I hear that your skin crawled. I felt jealous, and a little bit angry. It sounds like you were really scared - thinking about why it would scare you just makes me really really unhappy that you must have been hurt so deeply. Mainly sad, also a bit angry.


Many thanks to @Eleanor for broadening my horizons, too. Shock/Grief seems like an interesting intersection.

 

[Tinyflame]

Shock/Grief seems like an interesting intersection

What do you mean @BlueOrange , could I ask? Do you mean an unexpected death? :confused:

 

[BlueOrange]

My understanding of how it's presented is that there is a system for 'seeking' and a system for 'hatred' and a system for 'shock/grief'. I guess it's a 'loss handling' system that has two different presentations?

 

[Leisel]

Haha, right! But i can see "core emotions" like primary colors. Makes sense.

I really like that idea, makes emotions feel like art, which I also like to think about, art being an expression of emotions and emotions being art in and of themselves

 

[Leisel]

One thing I liked is that the memories have mixed emotions. Idk if there are "core memories," like, I would like to think so, bc there are positive things that have happened and helped shape who I am but I also don't really think so because like I don't remember almost anything before 7th grade-ish, and I know that things happened before then that helped form who I am, you know? So maybe there are core moments, but not that you have to remember?
I also like to think about core value, though, and I think that maybe a "core memory" is really just a moment that helped shape one's core values, so like, Riley's experience with her first goal helped her learn that she values hockey and her parents' love, which is why it helped form the corresponding islands. Then as she started moving and questioning those values, the islands were temporarily unable to function bc she felt like her values were being tossed aside by the move and they weren't being "fed" (like with love or whatever else) so those parts of her weren't able to function.

 

[Deleted member 34424]

It was average but not amazing. They needed more emotions to make in believable.

Also, the dad was run by anger but he wasn't an angry character, so I didn't get that.