Iraq Going To Hell Again...

[Sarg]

I saw a thread once where a guy was getting hammered as being un-American for trying to convince young people from enlisting. My beast and I had this little conversation and the consensus is that how are we Americans going to stop the military industrial complex stockbrokers and bankers?

Starve them of warm bodies. They want a fighting force? Send them the bankers kids. It won't last long, they'll just fire up the draft again. But it would be fun while it lasted.

Sarg

 

[Grizzly]

Right on Sarg. I fully understand why many parents sent their kids to Canada during Vietnam. Knowing what I know now, I would probably do the same. There is no end game with war today. At least WWII our parents and grandparents had to serve. It was for their survival. Today we fight wars and people get rich because of it. Every president should have had to serve miltary. Better yet, a combat zone. As well as congress. I bet then they'd consider deploying troops a little more carefully knowing the true horrors.

I'm proud of my service. College would have been cleaner.

 

[dutchiedelta]

Anyone with three braincells huddling together for warmth could have seen this coming.
Tribes and different belief systems were kept in check by a regime of fear and atrocities.
Now the atrocities come from a group that makes Idi Amin look like a pre-school toddler.
I'm sick to my stomach about it.

 

[JarHed]

Don't want to start a shit storm but, you have to different sects of the same religion fighting for power and as they see it their 'right' to rule. It's the same with ALL RELIGIONS, or at least that's this guys opinion. It's the reason for most wars.

 

[dutchiedelta]

Sorry, English is not my first language. Different belief systems could read instead different sects here.
The rest... No smilie to express my thoughts.

 

[Wagon]

I don't actually think religion is the cause of war. It is used as a weapon or a pretext. But as far as cause goes, that's just human plain and simple. You can insert Nationalism, Patriotism and racism in that slot as well. They are tools.

What is it that Napoleon said. "A man does not willingly die in battle for a petty distinction or a medal, you must speak to the soul to electrify him" He knew what he was talking about. He replaced religion with Nationalism and it worked a charm. Again just a tool to rally the troops.

Many many Muslims would agree that those who are declaring jihad all over the place are completely in the wrong and not religious at all. If they were religious they would stay home and pray. What the middle east is caught in today is the ancient system of vendetta and nomadic warfare. Been going on for millennium. Religion is just an overlay and then ultimately used as a pretext.

"Hey look at what that guy has got....lets go get that"

I think the commonality in all wars is...............If somebody wants war, they'll go to war for any reason and make it sound good. Or make it sound good enough for the masses to join in.

There is a really good book called "War of the World" by Nials Ferguson. I like the book, but I think the author is kind of a twat. The Brits may know where I'm coming from. He claims all war is racist. But again, he's not conclusive either.

Wagon

 

[JarHed]

You know you can call it what you like, it's all the same shit to me.

There are things worth fighting for and things worth dieing for but none of them fit into what been going around for the last 50 years.

a turd smells like a turd even if you call it a rose.

 

[Deleted member 43454]

Anybody else take a look at this article yet? http://www.alloutdoor.com/2014/06/1...ent=2014-06-24&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter

 

[dutchiedelta]

Interesting read DrBlack.
It took a minor incident in London to turn the streets into chaos, mayhem and danger.
Civilization is like veneer. About 1mm thick and comes off easily.
The human animal is not a nice one as most of us know already.
Any reason to bash a head in, enlarge and voila, another "conflict" is born.

 

[JarHed]

Civilization is like veneer. About 1mm thick and comes off easily.

I couldn't agree more with you post Dutchie. Societies 'work' because the people in them follow the rules. When the normal ebb and flow of it changes; natural disaster, massive fires, ect., the things which link those people together can easily come apart.