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Is It Possible That Ptsd Can Make A Person More Gullible?

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I can relate Philippa, I think I am generally paranoid but it is not possible living life not trusting anybody so we give people the benefit of the doubt but might get it wrong often.
I think this is a big thing for me though. I can't handle the idea that someone might be messing with my head and I'm just blindly believing them. It probably has to do with all the mind games my parents played with me, that led to me being paranoid in the first place?

My father talks about me behind my back to his friends and then speaks to me to my face as though we are friends...but he backstabs me to them when I'm not there. I've even had a cousin of mine that dad has been trying to "mold" me into for years, who is very successful in a monetary sense, make comments to me alluding to my lack of success and unemployment, which he could only know by dad informing him.

He has this obsession with trying to get me to compete with my cousin and my brother to be sucessful...and my brother has fallen for it lock, stock and barrel...which might be a male thing, I don't know...but he doesn't seem to recognize that I'm not interested in being like either of them, and it hurts me to have him constantly compare me to my brother and a cousin I don't even know anymore and haven't had any contact with in over 20 years.

My mother will do the same with using me as her personal counselling service to dump on about my father, and then act like I'm the bad guy when I place boundaries up to say I don't want to be used in this way. Her motivations are to shift the focus away from her own behavior, and there is no giving the benefit of the doubt with her.

I know when she is playing minds games, and I've had many people behave this way to me who aren't my parents, so it makes it harder sometimes to know when someone is just saying something and not trying to mess with me, and when they really are, so I suppose I have become hyper vigilant to incidences of abuse...if that makes any sense?
 
I'm new here and I love this thread, what a great topic :). I can relate to so many of the comments, and am glad to hear that I'm not the only one who is struggling with this!

What you said Phillipa about not being able to handle when you're being messed with, I completely agree. While I'm getting better, there is a part of me that is just not emotionally equipped to deal with the feelings that come up because I'm still processing the impact of all the slander I have endured from my entire family! (BTW my mother used me as her 'therapist' to bitch about my dad too, then when I'd blow her off or tell her to stop talking about it, she'd spin it as though I was protecting him and betraying her. Soooooo warped).

Anyhoo. Reading ppl and situations and protecting yourself while still being out in 'the world' is a skill set that is totally learnable, IMO. I really disagree with ppl who say that it's just 'instinct' and that there is something fundamentally wrong with ppl who don't count this among their strengths. I believe that I was was so flooded with fear (which makes learning impossible) and had no role models, so it makes sense that I'm not good at this. I think that when I believe things I shouldn't I'm still looking for that basic stability and foundation that was never. there. Or doing that thing where I'm reliving the trauma (all the head games and lies from ppl you're supposed to be able to trust) hoping that this time it will have a different ending. Which of course it won't. I read something about needing to grieve in another thread to stop repeating the same mistakes over and over. That makes sense to me.

I'm finding that the therapy I'm doing is teaching me to stay calm so that I can think things through and start getting better at this. My husband and therapist are giving me a foundation to build upon. Everything is a learning experience. Thanks everyone for sharing! It's so comforting to know that it's not just me!
 
Thankyou Elph, and yeah, it's totally comforting to know it's not just me. Makes me feel much less alone in the world, that's for sure. It also confirms that I'm not just making this all up, as they would have me believe...it really is them, and they really are willing to drive me crazy just so they don't have to look at themselves and their bad behavior.

I've recently started talking to my mother again, after a year. It was nice to hear her voice an all, but things haven't changed that much, and I wonder how long it will take before she reverts to the same ole, same ole. I'd like to believe her when she says she wants to change and is willing to, but she has burnt me too many times for that. I know what she is like. One phone call a year seems to be all I can handle with her.
 
Hi, Thanks Phillippa for starting this thread. It's feels very relevant. Apologies as I haven't read all the posts but will try to when I have the brain power.

I just wanted to say that I don't have the energy for stupidity, ingratitude, egoism or lies. Real tragedy does that too you for a long time. So when people are taking the mic sometimes I miss it. My hyper-vigilance scanner sort of dismisses it; also internally I'm looking for sincenerity as it's the rock I can build on that I didn't get .

A lot of it depends on how much energy I have for brain power and who I'm with. I did used to be engaged to someone who would tell me outrageous things (e.g. 'Where have you been?', 'oh, I've just picked up my cowboy licence' etc and I'd like it but when I was exhausted I found it mentally draining to try and determine fact from fiction (a sore point for anybody whose been groomed and betrayed by loved ones). Being in a situation where I had to I found distressing and dissociating (opting to/learned).

I think my reaction came across as being grumpy and humourless sometimes and as our relationship went down hill I used to wonder if he did it to confound me. It felt like pushing a person with a broken leg and then taking the pi*s cos they stumbled.

I liked angymac 86's comment, it made me think.

'I ain't been diagnosed but I am generally cynical but go along with things because I give people the benefit of the doubt. I mean I know I am cynical so sometimes I think maybe I over-compensate and therefore I might seem gullable. I kick myself nowadays for doing it though because a lot of the time because I aint been following what my gut tells me. I think its a form of dissociation.

I think modifying your behaviour to try and compensate is trying to eradicate the the harsh lessons that change your perception, but not necessarily dissociation. Just a thought.

I do have a sense of humour, I was told once by a graphologists (hand writing specialists) report that I had a 'highly selective' sense of humour. I burst out laughing. So true and she had never met me!
 
Philippa I'm in the same situation in my relationship with my father. Recently I tried for the last time to have some contact, but for me it's just not worth it. He reverts back to type every time and I can't heal my symptoms when I'm being triggered, so that was it for me. You're doing pretty well maintaining any contact at all.
 
Apologies if this has already been stated above ^, but I think that if we experienced out of the ordinary, truly insane trauma, because we experienced the unbelievable, it can be easy for us to become convinced of others' stories. Just as a result of empathy and relating to others. That has been my experience, anyway. I am sure that I am gullible. I don't even fight it anymore. I just embrace it.

Hah.


Back in my student days (I was permanently intoxicated which probably explain it) I used to play 'Comedy or Drama' when watching the TV with friends. I was being funny but I also genuinely couldn't tell. Fun though!
 
But we can learn. We can get better at all of this stuff. We don't need to take a blanket position like "trust is always best" or "people are all out for themselves." What others apparently do so easily, we can learn to do too.

We need to trust in our own capacity to grow & change, & know that others can too. We need to remember that words can be powerful & persuasive, & are a wonderful tool, but are not enough in themselves.

We need to believe that even if we sometimes make mistakes, we can get good at this in time, & generally manage to sort out who & what to trust.

I just re-read over this thread, and found these words to be most inspiring and encouraging at this time.

I have never been that ambitious to succeed in the world of money and what-not, but I am very ambitious to succeed at changing myself into the kind of person that you describe here Metamorphosis.

I'm so glad I'm in this boat with such great people.
 
Philippa I'm in the same situation in my relationship with my father. Recently I tried for the last time to have some contact, but for me it's just not worth it. He reverts back to type every time and I can't heal my symptoms when I'm being triggered, so that was it for me. You're doing pretty well maintaining any contact at all.
Oh I don't have any contact with my father...he blew it too many times, and he knows it. He still tries though, like on my birthday he left two emails AND called my phone (which was switched off at the time.) I didn't call or return his emails.

My mother I hadn't spoken to in over a year, and she recently sent me an email that really helped me heal a lot, by acknowledging some of her bad behavior and admitting that she was a child. I even posted the letter to a friend who has been estranged from her parents for 20 years, and addressed it to her from her mother, and she said it was EXACTLY what she had always hoped her mother would say to her, so I count myself lucky for that, and decided to give her a chance.

I'm not all that convinced that she will actually change though. She has made promises before that she hasn't kept, which was part of the emotional abuse...so I will believe it when I see it...but I felt that her effort warranted a chance at least...she earned it. I know that admitting to being horrible can be very painful for a parent, or anyone.
 
I believe I was gullible because I was in a constant state of dissociation to protect myself from the danger lurking behind me constantly when I was at home. By not being "present" because I was on alert to protect myself from harm, life lessons and skills did not click for me. It wasn't until I was 40 years old, in recovery and in a safe place with safe people for an extended period of time, that I could relax. And then I'd remember the good and kind adults in my life, like Mrs. Segaloff, my 4th grade teacher, who always hugged her students at the end of the day as we walked out the door. That brief moment of affection for 5 days a week during the school year sustained me through terrible nights of my alcoholic father violently attacking my mom, siblings and me. I also remembered Mr. McCraney, who was my first employer. I started working for him in his small department store a month after my dad was run out of town by the police. Mr. McCraney spent a lot of time with me, teaching me about the value of making good grades in high school; going to college; dating, dressing professionally, how to look people in the eye when I spoke to them. He was a good "father" figure to me, but I didn't trust him at the time because I felt like I was a target for anyone to hurt me . It wasn't until I relaxed in my recovery that I saw the Providence of God and the value of having Mr. McCraney in my life during that time when I was in high school and early college.

My second husband teased me at first my gullibility. He was amazed that someone as intelligent as I was would fall for such simple obvious jokes. Knowing he loved me, I finally started laughing at myself for the things I would fall for. There was something about the assurance of his love for me that helped me lighten up and laugh at myself. I know some people spy a gullible person a mile off and out of meanness make a fool of him. But my husband wasn't like that. He'd laugh about something I would do, and he'd be hugging me. I'd whine "You're laughing at my expense!" He laugh and say "I sure am!" and then I'd start laughing. Sometimes he'd tell me something that I knew wasn't true, and I'd tell him "You're full of baloney!" when I really wanted to say he was full of something else!

At more serious times, he would say, "You've got to find the humor in everything." He did and he taught me how. He was a Vietnam vet with PTSD. In his own way, for the most part, he had worked out a way to live with it. He taught me to trust my gut. That lesson alone has helped me avoid bad situations I used to find myself in.

I am so grateful to my husband for loving me and having the patience with me to create a safe home and guide me toward making friends with safe people. He taught me so much about life and living. As my confidence has grown in my living skills, I find I'm not nearly as gullible. And when I do "fall" for some silly joke or trick, I can genuinely laugh at myself and at/with the other person, and not take it personally. I've learned not to be so judgmental of other people. Peope are funny. We do unexplainable things that don't make sense to others, maybe not even to ourselves. (I'm not saying that in a mean way. It's just an observation I've made as I grow away from the pain into happiness.) Sometimes a family member will ask me, "Why does your brother act that way?" (He has PTSD.) I respond, "I don't know. I don't even know why I do some of the things I do."

My husband died 3 years ago of lung cancer. It's kind of funny, he helped me heal of my severe PTSD, and when I became highly functional, he was diagnosed with cancer, and I spent a year taking care of him. I feel so strongly that I want my life to count for something, not for my ego or glory, but to honor him and show that his efforts with me were not in vain. I give God the glory for bringing that man into my life.
 
Thanks for your input here rytngal. It sounds like you have met some wonderful people who steered you in the right direction, and you attracted those people because you wanted to learn a better way of living.
 
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