Layout of Rooms - Back To The Walls, Doors In View

[batgirl]

I wish immigration could be halted here. I have nothing against people from other countries, but many are bringing their radical religious beliefs with them. And most of those religious beliefs are pretty intolerant, especially of women. It scares me.

 

[No-Twitch-Tabitha]

It's not just where you live -- you're from Canada, correct?

It's everywhere; Europe is especially having a bad time of it.

The problem is, everyone is so politically correct nowadays, that no one wants to risk offending the group or religion du jour.

What pisses me off is that the more radical elements of the current religion du jour not only talk a good game about getting rid of Western culture but are more than pleased to back up their words with firepower.

People here are so secularized, mostly complacent, and have such short attention spans that they don't understand the danger, nor do they want to do anything about it. And the more moderate elements of the religion du jour act like they're afraid to speak up...apparently, they don't seem to realize that there is power in numbers. Or have been threatened into silence by a religious dictum that stresses a sensitivity to criticism.

Our survival is at stake, but the threat is too often downplayed. Or if you do take it seriously out loud, you're a "hatemonger" or "racist" (how can you be a racist when you're talking about religion? Go figure).

 

[batgirl]

Well I guess if you are against a particular relgious group you could be called prejudiced rather than racist. But I don't think I'm prejudiced towards any religion. I think religion has its place in society, in moderation. It's when it becomes fundamentalist, and therefore intolerant, that I get nervous. I feel that if you are going to immigrate to my country (Canada), while you should be proud of wherever you came from, you should still assimilate to a certain extent. That means learning French and English, dressing like a Canadian and respecting the culture of which you are becoming a part of. I have a big problem with people dressing differently, and I'm sure some would criticize me for it, but I won't back down. For example there are many fundamentalist Muslims in my city. The men all dress in western style, but the women are covered head to toe in black garments. I see that as an oppression of women, which has no place in our secular society. I don't care if the Muslim women are okay with it. If you want to live in a western country, dress like it and act like it, or else don't come here!! I don't believe that many of the women are okay with it, anyways. There is a high incidence of domestic violence in our Muslim community.

 

[No-Twitch-Tabitha]

Are you sure they're all fundamentalist? Just because a woman is covered head-to-toe doesn't mean that she is being forced to do so. It is a sign of modesty, and if she wishes to dress that way, I've got no problems. It's about choice. If it's hers, it's hers.

Assimilation is important, yes, but I don't trust the State to assist or handle it. Pride in one's roots/culture/ethnicity is a good thing - in moderation.

 

[batgirl]

Pride in one's roots/culture/ethnicity is a good thing - in moderation.

Yes, in moderation - the problem is it doesn't seem to be in moderation in a lot of cases. I agree with you, the government shouldn't be controlling it either, because then we'd just be living in a police state. I don't know, it's a tough issue, and one which I guess I don't enough about to comment.

Are you sure they're all fundamentalist? Just because a woman is covered head-to-toe doesn't mean that she is being forced to do so. It is a sign of modesty, and if she wishes to dress that way, I've got no problems. It's about choice. If it's hers, it's hers.

This is a good point. Maybe I am being too judgemental. Part of why I feel this way is that I grew up having 2 muslim friends, both of whom were moderate in their religious beliefs. My one friend wore a head covering but not a complete burka, she dressed western otherwise, jeans, etc. My other friend's family was from Egypt, and they were totally secularized muslims, no head coverings even. They observed Ramadan yearly, and that was the extent of their religiousity. Both my friends families were adamantly against burkas for women.

 

[beatle_bailey]

I agree with your thoughts

Hi BatGirl
I could get very politically incorrect on this subject ,, an not feel bad at all about it ,,, but you have said things I have bin saying for a long time ,, so I do not need to repeat them ,,,

I had better shut up know or I will start to offend many , and I this thime I need this forum ,,

besides I Mom told me if I hane nothing good to say , then shut my mouth ,, at the moment I'm walking away from this subject :walking: Beatle

PS ,,, you hit that nail on the head batgirl :clap:

 

[No-Twitch-Tabitha]

Yes, in moderation - the problem is it doesn't seem to be in moderation in a lot of cases. I agree with you, the government shouldn't be controlling it either, because then we'd just be living in a police state. I don't know, it's a tough issue, and one which I guess I don't enough about to comment.

Go ahead. Sometimes saying it out helps to figure it out or hash out what you believe.

This is a good point. Maybe I am being too judgemental. Part of why I feel this way is that I grew up having 2 muslim friends, both of whom were moderate in their religious beliefs. My one friend wore a head covering but not a complete burka, she dressed western otherwise, jeans, etc. My other friend's family was from Egypt, and they were totally secularized muslims, no head coverings even. They observed Ramadan yearly, and that was the extent of their religiousity. Both my friends families were adamantly against burkas for women.

Right. It's the spectrum of interpretation. Some people (fundamentalists, and not always violently so) interpret the Koran to the letter, while at the other end are those who are completely secular and treat Islam as more of a heritage than a religion...

The problem is that somewhere in the development of Islam, the scholarly tradition and questioning of what The Prophet actually taught or meant was shut down. The way I see it, the religion is due for a schism...but in the fundamentalists' resistance and refusal to see the solution, instead blaming all ills on the West, we're all going to be dragged into this fight. To this add politics and those who use religion to mask their evil deeds.

Nice stew, eh?

 

[Portabella]

I too cannot and will not sit with my back to the door, however....I do not sit in the booth closest to the door, because then my back would be to people behind me in other booths or table. I have to sit where all are in my view including the door and all windows, I want NO one behind me ever. I cannot allow my children behind me either.

I also have issues with closet doors. I cannot sleep if the closet doors are open in the bedroom. I am uneased if they are open and I am awake and just going in the room for something real quick and sadly my family is wonderful and try to help with closing all doors for me.

Anyone else have closet door problems?

And I heard someone else write it here, I also use reflections to aid me in watching.

 

[batgirl]

Welcome to the forum, Portabella. Yes I hate people behind me as well. I don't think this was mentioned yet, but I also can't stand people walking too closely behind me on the street. It makes me very nervous. In queues too, I hate when people stand too close behind me. It makes me angry actually and I want to punch them!

And yes, I have the same problem with closet doors... they need to be completely closed. Sometimes when I'm really struggling I also need to have something in front of the closet door, like a chair for example. I guess I imagine something is inside trying to get out??!?

Well speaking of reflections, I can't have mirrors in my bedroom either. I'm scared to death of a mirror when there is no light. Not sure if that's PTSD or just me.

 

[batgirl]

The problem is that somewhere in the development of Islam, the scholarly tradition and questioning of what The Prophet actually taught or meant was shut down. The way I see it, the religion is due for a schism...but in the fundamentalists' resistance and refusal to see the solution, instead blaming all ills on the West, we're all going to be dragged into this fight. To this add politics and those who use religion to mask their evil deeds.

Nice stew, eh?

OMG you've lost me now Tabitha lol. I really don't know enough about it to comment. But I agree, I do think we are going to be dragged into fighting, wars, etc, in the name of the religion. It's sad and scary!

 

[No-Twitch-Tabitha]

Bingo. :smile: