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Looking for opinions on my mother's behavior regarding her son's pedophilia

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Nyssa

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Recently, my mother has done something I find very disturbing, and I don't know what to think of it.

I never saw her as a pervert. She has always deployed great efforts to remain in denial of all the sexual abuse going on in the family. She is incredibly selfish and can be quite manipulative too. But this stuff she has done... I have a hard time explaining it.

Some background :

20 years ago, a young cousin of mine accused my brother of fondling. He denied it but she did not really buy it. And ever since then, she has known her son "had a problem". Before that, she also knew "he was in love with me" (her words). She never did anything about any of it. My brother would share is obsessive "love" -- supposedly pure and non-sexual -- of little girls with her and she wouldn't condemn it. Earlier this year, my brother was convicted for having sexually abused no less than 15 children, boys and girls, ranging from 3 to 10 years old. He denied most of it, but did confess some of it, and he admitted being attracted to little girls. Maybe for all these years, my mother had convinced herself her son was just weird and immature. But now, she sure as hell knows what he is now. She even apologized to the victims' parents for having been so blind.

Last week, I heard she approached one of my cousin to ask her pictures of her 3-year old daughter... for my brother. She even suggested the possibility of a visit in prison, with the little girl. Thank god, the cousin refused.

This cousin used to be one of my brother's little princesses. She says he did not abuse her, and I hope it is true, but he definitely groomed her... right in front of my mother. My cousin is in denial of her grooming, and she remained in contact with my brother until he was put in custody 4 years ago. Now she has a beautiful little girl, and my mother asks her to send my brother pictures of her.

To me, it looks like she is willing to hand sex material to her son and even help him recruiting future victims (he should get out in 6 years or so). And I wonder : How could she not see it? How could this be just good old denial? He is a convicted child rapist for God's sake!

What is your take on this, if you have any?
 
We have a saying in the US, "De nile is not just a river in Egypt". I'm not sure how well that translates if American English isn't your first language.

Seems to me, at the very least, she's in denial. I have never quite understood how someone can be so completely out of touch with the real situation, but apparently it happens. I suppose it's possible she even thinks your brother is ok and there's nothing wrong with his "interests". It would be kind of interesting to know what she'd have said if you cousin had responded with "What are you THINKING??????"

Has your mother ever been diagnosed with a mental health problem? It wouldn't surprise me if she qualifies for some kind of diagnosis. Apparently she's not going to be much help protecting children from your brother when/if he gets out.
 
@scout86 ,

My mother was never diagnosed with any mental health problem. And I don't think doctors missed anything. She was fine. I don't know how she is now. I haven't talked to her in 10 years.

She used to be quite worried about her son's interest for little girls. I remember that one time when she came to me and started crying, begging me to tell her if my brother ever had a girlfriend or a boyfriend. She was worried he might just be interested in children. She talked about that cousin (the ones she just asked pictures to). She said "I don't like the way he looks at her". The cousin was about 13 years old, she just had made a suicide attempt, facing the fact she had been abused by a teacher when she was 8 (all of which we knew through my brother). And my mother commented "She is not in a good place. I am worried. She has already been abused". Already...

I don't think that qualifies as denial.

I guess denial can come and go. But this much?
 
This is so wrong, and any child your mom approaches for your brother will not be kept safe from her. I think this is really sick, enabling behaviour of your brother. I do not know how I would deal with this situation except by going no contact with either one of them. I am glad you caught this and good for you on being so aware of what is going on. I would take it to a therapist for starters and then possibly tell your mother the best way you can why you think this is so wrong.
 
@AngelkeeperJ/AKJ

Everyone in the family knows my brother is a convicted pedophile. I don't think I need to add anything at this point to alert people. I would even argue it is not my responsibility. I pressed charges against him 9 years ago (I was his first victim) to free myself from that kind of responsibility. I told the police he probably was an active pedophile. He was trialed, and convicted, and now everyone knows what he is.

Fortunately, I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to feed him pictures of their kids. My cousin Lisa (not her real name) was probably his best bet. She is in denial of her past grooming and beyond that, she is so shallow minded she doesn't realize much of anything... Still, she refused to hand out pictures of her daughter, and she asked my mother not to call her again.

@Ragdoll Circus and @Rain

I don't talk to my mother. Haven't had for 10 years, and never will again.

Ever since I pressed charges against my brother and father, she has been calling me crazy. Not only did she abandon me to protect my rapists, but she made some pretty mean and f*cked up statements along the way. And so was her testimony at the trial last March.

For the past decade, I was estranged from my whole family. I was so freaked out I went no contact with anyone being even remotely related to me. Thanks to the trial, I started to reconnect with a couple of cousins. That's how I heard about my mother's request.

I am not wondering what I should or should not do about this madness. But I am still wondering what to think of my mother... I shall never see again.

Pretty useless, huh?

Actually, I am so mad I could take the 4-hour drive to her house and punch her in the face.
 
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Man what a mess. So sorry for what you have been through! You're awesome for going to the authorities! Bravo!!

I would do it again and give the D.A. the information you have. It may or may not change anything but at least you know you did the right thing. Again! :)

She in not in denial but she IS enabling him!

(IMHO)
 
@AngelkeeperJ/AKJ

Everyone in the family knows my brother is a convicted pedophile. I don't think I need to add anything at this point to alert people. I would even argue it is not my responsibility. I pressed charges against him 9 years ago (I was his first victim) to free myself from that kind of responsibility..

You are SO brave and strong to have been able to have followed through with getting him out of society! It is not easy. I am sorry if I made it sound like you had any responsibility to keep alerting anyone of what he is... You did your part for sure! You are wise in many ways, and suffered more than anyone can really know.

Blessings to you!
 
I also think she is enabling him. Could she be enabling him out of denial? Or does she have to be pretty sick and perverted herself to enable her son's pedophilia?

I absolutely refuse to see her as a "pedophile by proxy". But at the same time, I think denial is too convenient of an excuse. So I tend to refuse this explanation as well, which leaves me with nothing to make sense of her.

This obviously resonates with my personal history with her.

How could she let her husband have me in his bath until I was 13? How could she ask me to parade in front of him in underwear whenever she would buy me new bras -- as if it was just like showing him a new coat? How could she let him rub my back, with his hand underneath my shirt, while he were watching TV, every f*cking evening I spent with them until I was 20? How could she let him rub my naked thighs all the time saying "You have such nice legs" with the same hungry look he had when he would touch her breasts and say "You have such nice boops"?

How could she think my brother was "in love with me" and never check on me ? How could she confess she had suspected the abuse and only feeling sorry for herself? How could she fail to condemn him and ask me to forget it? How could she then turn her back on me and call me crazy to protect him? How can she still call me crazy when there have been at least 15 other victims?

And how can she be so sure her husband never abused me or my brother? She acts as if she never had a shred of doubt about it. How could this be, given her son's record? How could she not hear my father get up in the middle of the night and go to my room? Why didn't she ever get up to see what he was up to?

I have so many unanswered questions about her...
 
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All of your questions about your mother sound reasonable. A lot of them crossed my mind too. No idea what the answers might be though. A percentage of pedophiles just are. A percentage had some kind of abuse in their past. I have no idea what the statistics are. So, maybe you mother actually thinks that sort of thing is ok. Maybe she was involved in things you shunt know about. Which clearly makes her sick. But, I've heard some incredible stories of what sounds like 'denial' too. To the point that it seems like a person would have to be delusional to believe that version of reality.

Something someone else said brought this to mind. If it's possible to keep evidence of things like his desire for pictures of little girls, or your mother's enabling him, it might be a good idea. I'm not sure what the terms of his sentence are, or what the terms of release might be, but him showing a continuing interest like that could affect his situation in some way that keeps him locked up longer.
 
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