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Low Grade "emotion"

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DMerish

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In the thread titled “You know you have PTSD when . . .” (under Chit Chat), someone posted: “When you're irritated by something trivial, realize it's not worth being disgruntled about, yet still stay that way for the entire day.”

I find that happens a lot with me and I don’t get it. Sometimes, I even take it a step further and become perturbed over being irritated. It’s like a low grade double-piss off state.

Surely, others have experienced this, right? What is it? Why does it happen?

Is it because I’m generally numb overall and not feeling any pangs of joyousness, depression, dissatisfaction or anger, so I just grab on to this quasi “emotion” that really isn’t even an emotion? Is it a “mood disorder”?
 
I think it's because you are understimulated. Go for a walk, get some other form of exercise and it will pass. Thats just a guess, but it also always makes me feel better.
 
Under stimulated ? Uhm, no. I don't think that supporter really has grasp on the concept of PTSD. Well intentioned, perhaps, but I think any one of us would love to be under stimulated!

I chalk it up to the stress cup. I don't know if it warrants a separate disorder. I think it's just part of PTSD.
 
Im sorry, I meant overstimulated. It just came out backwards.

Lol - that's funny because was thinking you might be on to something, Badger.

I can be real sensitive and my nerves easily overstimulated, particularily when the stress cup over fills. However, after reading "Under stimulated" I began to think that I'm not stimulating my mind enough so that's why this low grade state of mind/emotions is happening. In other words, maybe I need to involve myself in something without pressure that occupies my mind - I don't know - maybe some type of craft, learning a new musical instrument, etc. But that would take motivation and I don't know where to find that!
 
Wow you just explained what I was thinking was wrong, I was thinking you were getting overstimulated by these little things because you arent engaged enough in your enviorment and your surroundings. Too in your head.
 
I also think we can go into fight and flight and get stuck there easily. Or that is what it feels like to me. Especially when there is something in there that is hidden that sets me off more than the obvious.

I think what helps the being perturbed about being perturbed is doing things that helps tolerate emotional states. Like mindfulness and radical acceptance.
 
When I am hypervigilant, as in nearly always, it's like my brain has got a spot light like you see in prison guard towers in movies that's constantly spanning the yard and it's looking for the reason my brain and body are in emergency mode. There really isn't anything happening to warrant an emergency alert (Ive just been triggered) but the alarm has gone off so the focused spot examines the environment and finds something "trivial" - which it assumes must be the reason for the danger signals going off so I'll run with it and make a state case out of nothing but that "nothing" feels like the reason behind it all. It's embarrassing later when I have perspective that that one tiny thing made me act nuts.

Just the thought that came to mind re: a trivial incident related to intense disgruntlement.
 
DMerish... for me, what it is - is rumination. Rumination is "defined as the compulsively focused attention on the symptoms of one's distress, and on its possible causes and consequences, as opposed to its solutions. Rumination is similar to worry except rumination focuses on bad feelings and experiences from the past, whereas worry is concerned with potential bad events in the future. Both rumination and worry are associated with anxiety and other negative emotional states." Source Link and more info here .

Why this occurs is it is a behavioral or habitual thinking style. When I find I'm caught in rumination, I remind myself that I can't get unstuck from the sticky thought/feeling/emotion unless I put it down and become available for the next ones. At first I had a visualization tool for this. Trees with fall colored leaves beside a river or stream. The leaves were falling and I would pick one up and examine it. But in order to pick up the next one, I had to put the leaf into the stream when I was finished examining it. Then I would pick up the next thought and continue to repeat sometimes a few times, sometimes about 15 times to remind myself that many thoughts are available and waiting for my focus/attention. I would play the game until I got unstuck.

"When people ruminate, they over-think or obsess about situations or life events, such as work or relationships. Research has shown that rumination is associated with a variety of negative consequences, including depression,anxiety, post-traumatic stress disorder, binge-drinking and binge-eating.

Why does rumination lead to such harmful results? For some people, drinking or binge-eating becomes a way to cope with life and drown out their ruminations, according to Susan Nolen-Hoeksema, Ph.D, a psychologist and professor at Yale University.

Not surprisingly, ruminating conjures up more negative thoughts. It becomes a cycle."

Though this is only one study (February 2013) here's some stuff to chew on if you think that "rumination" may be what you are experiencing:

"...there are two types of rumination, trauma rumination and depressive rumination (about causes and consequences of depression). The former is a cognitive avoidance strategy that prevents processing of the trauma memory. The latter prevents restructuring of the dysfunctional thoughts about the trauma. This leads to clinical utility of treating different types of rumination differently."

"Ehlers and Steil (1995) suggested that rumination was a maintaining factor for PTSD. The specific reasons for this are that it:
1.Prevents disconfirmation of the negative appraisals of the trauma and its sequelae (Ehlers & Steil 1995).
2.Increases intrusions (Steil, Ehlers, 2000) and prevents a change in intrusive images (Wells 1997, p.268).
3.Increases threat monitoring and therefore hyperarousal (Wells & Sembi, 2004).
Later papers have supported the idea that rumination was a maintaining factor."

Part of the conclusion: " This paper posed the question of “Does rumination maintain PTSD and what are its active ingredients?” The tentative answer to this would be: yes it can maintain PTSD but there must be other factors involved for this to be the case. We need to be clear on the type of rumination and what aspect of PTSD it maintains so we can be clear on treatment. This is also crucial in terms of determining the active ingredients of rumination. This review suggests that abstractness is not an active ingredient per se but added to “what if questions”, compulsion to ruminate and negative mood before then it is. However, as these weren’t studied in relation to type of rumination we must be cautious in our application of these findings.

Something I found a long time ago helped me to deal with my own tendency for rumination, compulsive or obsessive intrusive sticky thoughts... it is about a 5 minute tutorial on mindfulness and discusses "sticky thoughts" about 3 or 4 pages in. At the end I think is an interactive version of the leaf game: http://elearning.talariainc.com/buildcontent.aspx?tut=539&pagekey=59245&cbreceipt=0

I checked the link just now, and it is still good... there is an opportunity to watch the leaf game and then to play it. I did that as often as necessary until it became habitual and got some progress on my ability to navigate past the sticky emotion so I could become "available" and stay in the moment. I hope this helps you..

I have also read several of Susan Nolen-Hoeksema's books on the topic of "over thinking" and found them to be generally helpful at combating this tendency for myself.
 
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Good question, and a respectably thorough answer from albatross.

It's funny...asking "why this happens", and "how should I categorize it"...can actually be material for my rumination...and I can end up effectively ruminating over rumination....

While I think that there are too many factors, and too many unique versions varying by individual, to be able to really accurately generalize, at least specific to the nature of ALL rumination-(somewhat what Abstract's cited info suggested, I think).

But there's the biological model as well. Rumination, as described in the lead post--when you're irritated over something trivial, but remain so all day"...sounds much like a manifestation of OCD...

Both OCD as well as PTSD are traced back to similar sources...OCD as a matter of low serotonin levels, PTSD a matter of reduced hippocampal volume resulting from excessive stress hormones and gluccocorticoids, which in turn results in just such a reduction of serotonin levels.

So fruit from the same tree, but described differently in different manifestations, and for different diagnostic purposes as a means of specifying distinctions in the aims of treatment approaches--one only a description of a condition arising from a state with limited depth of qualification while the other pertains to a "first-cause" description of an underlying pathology responsible for such peripheral effects (OCD as related solely to serotonin levels, while PTSD as a description of a the underlying pathology responsible).

So whether we call it PTSD or OCD, the tendency seems likely related, at least at a superficial level, to reduced volumes of serotonin, most likely, as central element at play in the origins of a general tendency toward rumination.

If I'm not careful, I'll be worrying about these conundrums all day.
 
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Good point Promicarus with a caveat. I actually have an uncle with OCD. My mother has OCD type behaviors but has refused diagnosis. Personally I have low serotonin... but when I recognized the propensity in myself for compulsive obsession over thoughts or feelings or situations impulsively I asked my shrink.

His opinion when I posed the question of whether or not I too had OCD or OCD type behaviors (was it biological or learned from my mother or my cognitive distortion from my PTSD)... was that it didn't really matter as the main issue was learning to cope with things as they are.

He was kind of a hard ass that way. But ultimately, I decided he was right. I needed to learn how to cope without the inclination for maladaptive behaviors. So I buckled down and started trying to find a more effective thinking style and pattern of behavior that was generally beneficial and did the CBT and REBT work. DBT helps too.

DMerish though has been quiet since opening this topic... so my posts may be way off base and not particularly helpful.
 
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