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New Relationship! New To Ptsd! I Could Really Use Some Advice!

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Welcome Jessica-
After reading your post I am going to say that I think it would be very, very wise not to expect a wonderful relationship with what is essentially a complete stranger. Please don't take what I have to say as preachy or telling you what to do. I say what I say because I see myself in you----or how I used to be. Like you, whenever a guy seemed nice right off the bat, I would fling myself off of the proverbial cliff of love and always landed on the rocks below. There was no bed or roses or soft fluffy cloud waiting for me at the bottom.

I am 50 years old now. What I have learned after many years looking for that perfect relationship is that there isn't one. Every relationship is going to have it's ups and downs, naturally. It seems to me you are starting out with someone who is moving very, very fast. A guy moving that fast raises a huge red flag for me because normal, healthy thinking males are notorious for their sidestepping ability to fall in love and open themselves up to hurt. This is FEMALE territory…..what I call "picking wedding invitations before the second date." I share this mainly because "fast track" involvement is how my relationship began with the two worst abusers I have ever met. What ultimately started out as love at first sight evolved into a twenty year nightmare with two different violent sociopaths.

Another thing I learned is that guys generally tell you want you want to hear, and also like to test the waters to see how amenable you are to bad behavior. The fact that this guy says he has hurt girls is a huge, huge red flag. He is telling you the truth and waiting for your reaction. A guy once told me that if a guy tells you that he is not good enough for you or any other negative trait---- you need to listen because he is NOT LYING. When this guy told you that he hurts girls you need to listen because he is priming the pump. He is seeing what he can get away with using baby steps. The more you let him get away with the little things in the beginning, the huge things will be that much harder to break free from in the long run. My baby daddy used to tell me how badly he mistreated his ex before me. He was out and out telling me he was violent towards women, but I thought I was immune for some strange reason? Gee…..what a dumbass I was because he told me up front that he had no problem hitting women. The fact that he told me he even shoved his own mother was another clue that I ignored. Also, if he is postponing dates is another clue. If he was really, really excited about the prospect of seeing you, wild horses could not keep him from seeing you. He is testing your ability to be put off, or if you tolerate being lower on his list of priorities, or other girls. PTSD, BTW? Is no excuse for bad and insensitive behavior. Bad manners is bad manners PERIOD.

As for my experiences with online dating? I met one guy who didn't even have enough cash to pay for my drink. He expected random sex, of course, and didn't feel that he even had to pay for it--- not that I'm a prostitute anyway. It left a nasty taste in my mouth and I avoided all contact with him after that.

The next guy I dated seemed like a good fit. That was until I began to realize I was opening my life up to him, and he was using the excuse of I'm-in-the-middle-of-a-custody-dispute-and-need-to-look-like-I'm-not-dating-anybody-in-order-to-win. It didn't take me long to call BIG FAT BULLSHIT! You either have a wife, or significant other, and I am the side dish that you can't even introduce to your friends. Really? Even IF you are in a custody battle a judge isn't going to take your kid away because you go on dates. Whether he was being honest or not really wasn't the point. The point is he had baggage and was not completely free to be involved with ANYONE.

I got lucky with the third and ONLY because I had already known him since I was ten years old to his twelve. He found me online after being completely MIA for 30 years. THIS is the relationship that was meant. I grew up with him and we had and have seen each other at our absolute worst. We may not have had contact for 30 years, but we KNEW each other in a way that only people who have spent a significant amount of time together can. Even though it was only as kids, it was a relationship based first on friendship, then on romance. That is the ONLY way to go. If you don't actually like somebody, even at their worst, love is nothing but a pipe dream. You can't know you really like someone until you know their biggest flaws, secrets, and all the BS that comes with looking at a person realistically and not through the rose colored glasses of infatuation.

I say all this because, man o' man, I don't want to see a sister go through what I went through. I say this because F*CKING A RIGHT you are special! So special that a guy needs to prove to you that HE'S equally special. That he's not typical….quite extraordinary…..and will fight tooth and nail to IMPRESS you with more than just platitudes and guessing games designed to keep him in control.
 
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this mainly because "fast track" involvement is how my relationship began with the two worst abusers I have ever met. What ultimately started out as love at first sight evolved into a twenty year nightmare with two different violent sociopaths...[better to have] a relationship based first on friendship, then on romance. That is the ONLY way to go. If you don't actually like somebody, love never enters into the picture. You can't know you really like someone until you know their biggest flaws, secrets and all the BS that comes with looking at a person realistically and not through the rose colored glasses of infatuation.


I love this! It's exactly what my T and I are working on. I have always had the idea that it was the right thing, but fell for the one who brought a wedding ring on the first date. Through exposure therapy we have tried different ways to confront that and identify it. It's so true.
 
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In fact the closer you get the more of the 'darkness' you will be exposed to. In the words of Missy Higgins "I will learn to breathe this ugliness you see, so we can both be there and we can both share the dark". @Sighs that is beautiful! Makes sense...
 
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Yes. Understanding this philosophy is what saved my life. Also, being in a position of not NEEDing anything whatsoever helps a great deal. It is too easy to fall into a trap when you need financial help, emotional support or other things that create a sense of dependence in a person. When a person is truly independent in ALL aspects of their lives, are they ready to take on the challenge of finding a worthy suitor with whom to share the work and subsequent abundance.

It is so sad that so many good men and women feel it vital to prove their worthiness to a partner when we all should be expecting the love our lives to prove their worthiness to us. Proof and evidence of good character shows over time….not in a few random encounters.
 
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Everyone needs help, if we didn't have needs we wouldn't be here. I don't agree. That attitude of I am my own empire hurt me in a bad way. It also pushed everyone out. Co dependance is different than support. That's the difference for me.
 
@Jessica-

The more I read the initial post, the more red flags I see. I am sorry to be such a downer, but, it is with the best of intentions that I share my experiences and insights into the male mind and it's machinations. Do you see the contradiction of appearing that you are so very special that you just have to meet his mom, family, best friend----yet, he has his bad days where he ignores your texts because he doesn't want to what? Drag you down? Dump his problems on you? Trust you? His "lips" may be moving, but his actions tell a completely different story, IMHO. Even when I was my most screwed up and not in any sort of frame of mind for love, I NEVER, EVER felt like NOT being with or interacting with the object of my affections. What better high is there than that….especially when you're having a bad day?

Ask yourself this: I really dig this guy. Can I possibly have a bad day feeling about him the way that I do? The way he proclaims to feel about me?
 
Serenity-

I agree that we all need help at a time or another. One can still have a life of abundance and still need help, but I don't think we are on the same page with regards to that. Of course you might need help fixing a flat, or a friend's shoulder to cry on when you're blue for whatever reason. However, we should strive to get to a place in life where if need be, we can live completely on our own and still have a life of happiness and abundance that we are free to share with others.

I only speak this way because for most of my life I've always needed others for one thing or another. This type of neediness is what kept me tied to my abusers. It is this type of independence that I speak of. Not needing a relationship so much and wanting one. There is a difference in needing a relationship as opposed to being in one that you actually want to be in because it's balanced and mutually respectful.
 
Serenity...I only speak this way because for most of my life I've always needed others for one thing or another. This type of neediness is what kept me tied to my abusers. It is this type of independence that I speak of. Not needing a relationship so much and wanting one. There is a difference in needing a relationship as opposed to being in one that you actually want to be in because it's balanced and mutually respectful.

I agree with that totally.
 
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The only view I can offer is my own; which is this : Protect your children and yourself. Not in a bad way, but ... I am .... very similar in my relationships to the man you met. We don`t mean to get close to people and then distance ourselves. The grip of ptsd is such that we are eternally hopeful. For him to put himself out there again, is I admit, a little foolhardy... I am in a relationship but if I had been diagnosed earlierI wouldn`t be until i was sufficiently well to be able to be sure that i wouldn`t affect those close to me in the way i do; ie to the same exyent.
i feel for you completely because i thnk the thing about ptsd is that the thng we desire the most is also what scares us the most. Some of us have a deeper insight into our condiiton than others... I`m nto perfect and i would say nobody has malice, but the qualities in us with ptsd that attract `healthy` people, are our innate ability to touch people, and connect with them innately, and very quickly, in a way that might generally take a lot longer.

He may recognise that he has hurt partners in the past, but ... I have been at that stage but now have had to accept that i shouldn`t be with my partner really. Because although I am able to stay with him now, the last year has been hell.

You will read many testimonies and histories here. But a generic theme will be to look after yourself, and your babbies. Another thing about ptsd peeps` partners`, from what i can see, is that they all battle with their own self worth and self esteem.

Be with this guy. But do so with compromise, and on your terms, only becaue it has to be that way for your children. There are many wonderful people out there. Never forget that. (oh and as a ps - he will possibly spend much of his time persuading you you would be better off with someone else - true but not for the reasons he will be stating that sentiment ;).

I wish you all the luck and good energy possible. :)
 
I'm so thankful for this site and all of the support.mm I am a very independent woman and that's why I have been single so long. I don't want to settle.... I've casually dated and I can tell you that I've seen all those other men that everyone is speaking of... I'm usually a really good judge of character and don't let anyone get close to soon... for me this was different for some reason... I connected to him and I saw that gentle soft amazing side of him! His honesty with me has just blown me away! I'm just trying to learn more about ptsd.... and see if this man can learn to love again..... like I said I actually needed to not focus on dating as much anyways so "dating" someone who requires alot of space may be a good thing for me personally right now anyways! I have not heard from him in a week so only time will tell but I definitely learned that I will not let my emotions get ahead of me anymore! I hope I make sense! I am a good person and I believe he is just from seeing his interactions with his family.
 
jessica, I am very gald you seem to be such a strong woman, just lookafter yourself and your babbies. You are evidently a very sensitive person with great depth and very drawn to his vulnerability and the connection you have with him. PTSD does have a tendency to alienate and..... cut people off without us even meaning to.... you want the incredible person you met, but people like us are so damaged we are that person but will put you through hell to get that back again on a more permanent basis when you scratch beneath the surface and symptoms start manifesting themselves.

Believe me when I say this is not about me being a killjoy. At. All. But the hope that keeps every partner of a ptsd peep going is the thought that one day they will get that person back for more than 24 or 48 hours before PTSD sets in again and that persona emerges.

Just be very aware - you seem a beautiful evry bright articulate lady, so please don`t think I`m trying to put .... a downer completely on all of this. The fact that you are on this site is an indicatiojn of just how fab you are.

Again, all the best :)
 
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