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I agree with you Albatross. I have self studied and done therapy for 2 years. I know I've been very brave to get as far as I've gotten (this feeling will change the next time I relive lol).

Anyway, lately, the anxiety has become severe enough to push me into dysphoric hyper arousal. I am too overwhelmed to try and dig myself out of it by reading. Reading triggers obsessive thoughts for me. Actually, thinking about anything other than the mundane triggers me right now so I think giving the reigns to a Psych and my therapist right now is ideal. Just for a time until I'm emotionally healthy enough to do the work again.

I can't afford to lose my marriage because I want to be stubborn and figure this out on my own. It's not fair to myself or him.

And I hope this isn't coming off as defensive. Ugh....I really hope it's not. I am trying to tell you that I agree with you and now it sounds like I'm defending something....I'm sorry.
 
Nope not too defensive. Higher stakes is all the more reason to grow or get mowed over (get unwanted consequences). Sometimes that's what it takes to get incentive. What do you want more, giving in to the symptomology or saving your marriage. Do or die. I always choose do.
 
You are not at the mercy of reliving events. You are not at the mercy of your thoughts and feelings, and unless or until you learn how to experience them without doing damage to your relationships (coping skills) you will continue the cycle (stress/acting out/damage control regret). Follow Anthony's one page treatment for PTSD. You will see some improvement in some area. I did not follow it but went my own way, and my participation here has still given me improvement. You are though responsible for your own actions, you are not a helpless victim of your emotional states. You need to remember you have some personal responsibility and your actions involve your spousal relationship.
 
I know I have personal responsibility. I have ALWAYS been a person to take my part, sometimes overly......I know I'm not a helpless victim and I've never acted like one. I survived a lot of messed up stuff (one being in a relationship with someone who turned state's evidence so I was put in a witness protection program with him, he was a sociopath and I feared for my life all of the time because people wanted him dead!!!) and ran my life for many years. I own my stuff constantly. I don't know why people assume that I'm not just because I share about how crappy I'm feeling. Nobody has had to tell me to go get help. Nobody has had to tell me to get off of my butt and do something. I've always done something about my problems.

Right now, all of the anxiety is just making me act out....It's hard to explain, but I can't stay in reality if there is conflict. I'm not just walking around exploding. If nobody has taught me how to cope properly, then I'm only so responsible. I'm trying the best I can do. I'm reaching out for help as much as possible. I was managing things just fine for the last 2 years and then the anxiety got to be too much to bare. So, now, here I am.

Well, I just quit smoking cold turkey 11 days ago too so I'm sure that plays a part too. So, I have a few things going on.

Point is, until I can get help for the anxiety, I just have to keep things light. Today, I fed the dog, let her out to go, I got dressed, ate some breakfast, talked to my T on the phone, left a message for a Psychiatrist, and then I went to the self car wash. I usually go to the hand car washes where the people do it for you, but I wanted to keep my mind focused on something constructive. So, I spent HOURS there, taking my time and vacuuming. I allowed myself to be extremely perfectionistic to get out some tension. I even laughed at myself for accidentally hitting myself in the head with the sprayer hose and then spraying myself!

I feel a lot better. I'm just going to try and keep myself busy and avoid. I know avoiding isn't good, but it's all I can do right now is distract.

Anyway, thanks everyone for staying with me.
 
Hi StrongerNow,

Have you thought about discussing this incident with your T? I'm sure this is also related to the stress of quitting smoking, which is yet another way to medicate ourselves. Also, you could talk to your T about meds and see if she recommends a doctor and get a professional opinion.

Good for you for quitting! :)


Hope you are feeling much better.
 
When I see people like alcoholics in recovery, I envy them. Not because they have a disease and have to treat their addiction, but because they have found a label that fits, they found a place to fit in, and they KNOW when they think, act, or feel like A, B, or C, all they have to do is follow a list of steps to treat their disease.

I don't really agree with this, and I'm not saying that to criticise or challenge you. I'm saying it because I hope maybe viewing things in a slightly different way might help you.

There isn't a magic sequence of steps for anyone dealing with anything. I have a problem with alcohol and I don't fit in with AA/twelve steps at all. In a way that made me feel that I have even less help than people without that label, because I didn't fit the most obvious approach. Even for those who do, "all they have to do is follow a list of steps" is a bit too simple a way of looking at it.

I'm not trying to have a go at you. That's not my intention at all, just the opposite. I imagine what you're really saying is, that you don't know what you should do and you wish you did. You want a process to follow, a route marked out. Is that right? I think it's important not to think that other people have this and you don't, because in my view:

a) Finding your way is step number one for everyone. It's not just the first step then you're done, either. We all have to keep finding a way forward, all the time. I don't know anyone in AA who hasn't also had to seek out and do other things for their recovery. For one person it might be yoga, for another person it might be CBT. An alcoholic is not given a neat package of everything they need, and nor is anyone. You're not alone in needing to find something to help you. Other people do find things to help them (whether that's twelve steps or something else) and that means so can you.

b) If you want a label, I'm a bit confused. Anxiety and obsessive thoughts are labels. There are generally accepted steps for dealing with anxiety and obsessive thoughts. The most well known one (which I see as the equivalent of AA for alcoholism) is cognitive behaviour therapy (CBT). Like AA, CBT helps a lot of people so it might help you. Personally I also have anxiety, and CBT doesn't help me with that any more than AA helps me with my alcohol problem. However, even though they don't help me, other things can. So if CBT doesn't help, you can find something else. In my case this is dialectical behaviour therapy (DBT) and especially mindfulness practice. It sounds like you were practising mindfulness when you were washing your car.

I'm okay with following rules. I'm okay with admitting that it's something I'm doing to cause this if that's the case. I'm okay if I'm told that I'm not taking responsibility or something, but then I need to know how to change my behavior.
I can't take the anxiety sometimes. I'll be okay tomorrow. This too shall pass. I just needed to get it out.

DBT and mindfulness give strategies, skills and steps to follow, as does CBT. One reason they help me, and CBT doesn't, is that I need to work more on acceptance of my anxiety and obsessive thinking. Simply telling myself I'm causing it and need to change that, simply trying to replace things with more rational and positive thoughts, doesn't help me. I need to validate the reasons for the anxiety and negativity.

I don't know if this video is any help in explaining the balance between accepting and changing. It's Marsha Linehan, who developed DBT because of the tension between these two things. DBT was originally for people with borderline personality disorder and suicidal ideation, but the same principles and skills are now used for a much wider variety of conditions. DBT skills are all about how to cope with difficult, volatile and explosive feelings, without making yourself feel wrong for having them.

DBT really helps me, but CBT helps lots of people. If those are not for you, maybe something else is. There will be other approaches that people have used as well.

If you think CBT, DBT or anything else isn't for you, doesn't help, doesn't apply to some of your situations, or is too hard, then I think you're experiencing the same thing that many alcoholics do with the twelve steps or any other recovery programme. Just because an approach is there, that doesn't mean it's straightforward to follow it. But it can still help, and having support with it (from a therapist, supporter and/or places like this forum) can get us through.

It's not fair. It's not fair that I have to do all of this work because someone else's actions created this sickness in me. It's not fair that I'm willing to do whatever it takes to fix it, but the therapy I've been doing for 2 years isn't getting me anywhere.

I'm feeling like this in relation to something I need to work on outside of therapy. I've worked so hard at it and feel like nothing seems to change it and don't know what to do next. I hate it. I hate that I have to keep trying, after trying so hard for so long. All because of the life I was given. I find it really had to get past the injustice. I'm struggling with that.

I think it would be good to review your therapy, but I understand not wanting to change when you don't know what you would change to and feel you can't trust your judgement. Have you talked to your current therapist about feeling you're not getting anywhere?
 
No offense taken Stronger Now. Actually the 12 step and the rational (secular) recovery models did have benefit for me not just with alcoholism but with tools I could apply to my life. For the deeper issues though Hashi's post is solid. I started with Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy and Cognitive Behavior Therapy and mindfulness.
 
It's never a straightforward road to recovery. We all find each of our own ways. It does take time and you can hit plateaus, where you may feel frustrated or hopeless. There are growing pains during recovery. Usually when I feel "stuck" or tired of reacting in the same manner, I reach out and ask for help. You can ask you therapist, as person in a support group, this board. You can and should take help from wherever you get inspiration. When you ask for help, usually people understand it is important and react in ways that does assist you. However, if you suffer in silence, no one will know, and that would be sad.

I am just speaking from my own experience, please take what helps you and leave the rest.

Understand full well that the quitting smoking is a huge trigger. On that note, way to go StrongerNow! So many people die from smoking which they do to self-medicate from PTSD and other conditions. You are probably going to feel a lot more clear headed and healthy as the days pass. There is something on the Internet called "The Benefits of Quitting Smoking"... if you have not searched for it and put it somewhere you can see it, you may want to! Huge accomplishment quitting smoking is and a milestone in your recovery. Quitting is not for the meek at heart so I know you are a fighter and quite determined to get better.

Make sure you find a quit buddy, even if they are not a smoker, to cheer you on.
 
Thank you Hashi. You understand me perfectly. Defining and validating stuff is so important right now. I think maybe I went a little overboard in the psychology part. I got super obsessed with dynamics, words, and details. I did talk to my current T. I told her I need a little break because I'm becoming too dependent on her. I did not experience this prior to going to therapy. She is still in school and is supervised. I had to tell her 3 times that I'm not blaming her or resisting but her attempts to convince me from taking a break are a bit disrespectful in that she keeps telling me that there is no way I will be able to do this alone and that I have to let her help me. I know she cares but imagine a parental tone from your T that makes you feel like an infant. She isn't a trauma therapist so I understand she is still learning. I tried to tell her I just need something else right now. I can't keep revisiting things over and over again because I'm a guinea pig for her. I think I'm being unravelled because of this. Blaming the present on the past isn't helping me.
 
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