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Parents Implying I Can Choose Not To Be Ill

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thank you so much @Promicarus -- not much to add but I hear ya, and your perspective is awesome. I think it's best, as you say, to just step out of the ring and keep going on with my life and my healing. I did need to hear from others in the same position the exact things I've been hearing here.
 
I am so sad to hear this, it seems to be a rampant saying from those who don't understand or don't try to for the sake of their loved ones.

My mom says this to me too often, which is sadly the reason our relationship has swindled.

I hope you're doing okay.
 
One more thing you might not be takin into account--(and bully for ya, deathray, you're makin the right move)--

And this is gonna hit your ear funny, I know...but in her mind, she might actually be lookin at her attitude and responses as a matter of tryin to HELP you. I know. Sounds ridiculous.

But think about it--she's from another generation. They didn't have Dr. Phil, pop-psychology--or much in the way of psychology at all, for that matter.

The only "treatment" the had, back in her day, was the "bootstraps treatment", as in "pull yourself up by your bootstraps"

Why? There weren't any other options, that's why. So people were told to "just suck it up", when they had problems or felt bad. The prevailing wisdom of the day (and I know, my pa was 49 when I was born--so part of a different world)--was if you were being to easy on a person, you might as well kill em, because you were encouraging them to be weak. And weak people just died. That's it. Not many other options back then. So it was considered the absolute best form of parenting to tell your kids to "just shut up and tough it out", in other words. You were helpin em get strong, like they needed to be. Helpin em to learn to decide to just "cut off the pain, and keep marchin"...because, again...there weren't any other options to be had. You were making strong adults that way, who could pull their own weight, and choose to ignore discomfort.

And there's at least somethin' to be said for that approach. I don't think there's much debate but what we've gone a bit soft, since.

But still and all--there are options now. There are diagnoses and treatments that offer real hope. 'Just shut up and decide to ignore it' isn't the only option, any more.

So hopefully we'll move at some point into the synthesis following thesis and antithesis...some middle-ground between the two. Who knows.

But bein her age...your ma's from the old school, too. And old ways, from youth, die hard.

So just another perspective, to open another door of consideration. I don't know her, of course, so I can't say. But point bein' while you may not be gettin what you'd like from somebody...that doesn't mean you're necessarily seein all there is to the picture. Even if that's not the case with your mom--that she's trying to help you this way---I've known lots of old timers, my dad included, who were exactly of that school of thought.

For example, any time I ever said to my dad that anything bad happened to me...his response was "and you brought it all on yourself".
What a complete bastard! That's what I always thought, growin up.

Took me years and years for the lightbulb to go off. He's from that old school...he was tryin to teach me somethin valuable...that as long as you blame things on anything else, you're not seeing how your actions were involved in it...and when you're not doing that...you're giving up control, ad submitting to being a victim in life, a subject, rather than a prime-mover. And though it fairly made my head pop, at the time, I'm grateful now. It got me to thinkin about all the why's and wherefores of exactly how it all went down, and what I could have done differently...and left me with the real sense that "the ball was in my court", after all. I could change it, and I was expected to be able to change it. So I learned to, pretty well. I took responsibility for everything happening in my life, and was a lot better for it.

Whether this applies to you or not, who knows. Just givin you an example--sometimes we're not seeing the big picture at the time. Sometimes people who love us, especially older folks, are tryin to "be cruel to be kind". Just another angle.
 
@Promicarus,
the truth is that if it was all about "lack of willpower, and personal weakness" then this forum wouldn't even exist. We would have all rolled over and died a long time ago. Everyone here has a strong sense of willpower and I don't think any of us are weak. The truth is that if they lived in our bodies and minds for just one day, their opinions would be doing a 180...
 
I'm sorry this is going on with you. :( I totally relate.

I would cease ALL contact with her immediately, and not even wait for the day that she might reach out. She's not well, obviously. It doesn't even sound like she wants to have any bearing in your life anymore(because it's your choice... for real?). Cut her out of your heart. I don't know if that's bad or good advice... but, it's just what I would do.

My heart goes out to you, love from a total stranger.
 
Have you ever heard the term "Cut your losses?"
Yup. Did it. It took me until the age of 44, but I cut my mother out of my life. One of the best decisions I ever made. Not to sound flip, but not everyone wins the parental lottery. In my case, my mother was causing more continued damage than she was worth. Now, I'm a fully functional adult with a good job, my own home, and am not financially dependent on my parents in any way. If that doesn't describe your circumstances, then I would say, do whatever you can to be financially independent from them. People that contribute to your trauma get the big fat DELETE button pressed on their foreheads. If they aren't a part of the solution, then they're a part of the problem. Easy as that.

I do have a deep and abiding understanding that my actions and those of your biological father (past, present and future) have a bearing on your life. But I also understand that this will be the case only so long as you choose that it should be so.
Wow, does she always speak that way? Is she trying to impress someone with her vocabulary, or trying to be intentionally vague?
 
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Wow, does she always speak that way? Is she trying to impress someone with her vocabulary, or trying to be intentionally vague?

Yeah -- she really really does! It's kinda both. She always speaks from a position of 'authority' and in may family that means 'academic authority' which is the only kind that counts :P But she's also very much being intentionally vague/obtuse. She would never say outright 'you're disability/illness is full of crap' *shock horror!!!*. Much easier to imply it and retain deniability. She has such a recognisable tone that I posted this on FB without saying who it was and 5 people were like: that's your mother isn't it?

And yeah, I'm done with it. As sad as it is, and as much as I get that she/they are ill and just not willing/able to get more help, it's no good for me to keep trying. Maybe one day before they pass away they'll get back in touch. But knowing how stubborn mom is I don't hold out a ton of hope.
 
Hey DeathRay

Yeah, it's sad that people even in your family are that way but that's not your fault. I mean it's not your fault that they're f&*(ked up, they're the one with the problem. Not every family is like 'Father Knows Best'. Oops! that's just an obscure reference to a '50's tv show I watched as a kid. Perfect family, not a problem in sight.

Real life just isn't like that. I also wouldn't have any expectations that she may change in some way. Like she'd have an epiphany and see the light in regard to your situation. For good or bad your parents are just people, like you and me with all the same problems and crap to deal with. It's what makes us all what we are. Our expectations for them is usually higher than most can aspire to.

But you're wise to move forward with or without her. It's her lose, sadly. Make the best of this life, my friend, it's all we can really be sure of.

JarHed
 
So true Promicarus. Sometimes just putting something in the category of "I refuse to discuss this with you, it's not your problem" can be pretty empowering. You are in essence taking the weapon away from the abuser when you say "I don't need your advice, and I don't need your help. I am going to discuss this with people who are here to support me, and since you are not in that category, pass the ketchup. How's the weather later?"
 
I am so sorry she said that to you! :( You were hurt so badly, and she expects you not to be affected by that? :( I know it must be so hard when she's your mother but remember you never chose to have this happen to you and you never chose to be abused or develop PTSD. You have nothing to feel guilty about.
 
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