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Persecution From Others

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I'm sorry to hear that Angel, but welcome to our new little family ;P

Here is a new one, I just have to share - conversation word for word:

Sister: 'I am really worried about what will happen to [her son] if I die'
Me: 'What are you worried about?'
(I am at this stage thinking she would be worried about him being happy, healthy and cared for if she spontaneously died).
Sister: 'I am worried, that HE WON'T REMEMBER ME'.

Whhhaaatttt????
 
Been there, heard that. My sis told my mom ( her step-mom) when she was about 11 that she was going to be a country singer and Mom could be her maid!!! Her maid!!! Like it was an honor or something. She is always coming up with crap like that.
 
What's interesting is what you said Brat

I have no understanding why I wouldn't stay down. We use to watch boxing when I was growing up and the guy that stayed down lost all respect...in my home you got destroyed if you stayed down...you had to get out of sight!

In my family of all girls, if someone is suffering, sisters will be there, there is a group think, being a victim.
It is when you are doing well that they are intolerant. I have a friend (i friend) that is an attorney, I have had a sister tell me off and say "you think your so damn good because you have dr and lawyer friends, you are a nobody, you have always been a nobody and are way out of your league""" They are all older than me by 8-12 yrs, by the time I was 30, they had all attempted suicide. The strength that I had-they said I was cold and uncaring. If you did not roll over and give it up-you are selfish. Sounds different than your family I take it????
 
Brat17: Mine have PITY PARTIES. Who can imagine up the biggest woe, sickness...whatever will get a) Pity and b) Freebies (ie both manipulation). And yes I got (and still get) the ol "But you were always so strong!" (like an insult)

The things is, I wasnt always so strong as they put it.....but it was the fact that none of them gave a damn about any REAL events (as opposed to imagined pity postures) and I was abused if I dared not be there for them.

Like so many here, if I dared fall and break a leg, or crack my head open and be unconscious for a week, I was somehow depriving THEM of all the woes they would invent and I was an A-hole because they were so much more worthy (spelled deserving of sympathy) and they'd just invent more and more shite to show they were worse off than me. (see? its relative) and that was their excuse (the whole lot of them) for not even bother coming to see me in hospital.

They actually 'engineer' the excuses for their behaviour.

Sadly they are not alone in this behaviour.

Its taught me to be self sufficient and very capable. But I also had to go through a real learning curve of ALLOWING others to help me. Because not everyone is like them ;)

Its still a balancing act for me though. By default I prefer to be alone (<==pls note alone does not mean lonely)
 
In my family of all girls, if someone is suffering, sisters will be there, there is a group think, being a victim.
It is when you are doing well that they are intolerant. I have a friend (i friend) that is an attorney, I have had a sister tell me off and say "you think your so damn good because you have dr and lawyer friends, you are a nobody, you have always been a nobody and are way out of your league""" They are all older than me by 8-12 yrs, by the time I was 30, they had all attempted suicide. The strength that I had-they said I was cold and uncaring. If you did not roll over and give it up-you are selfish. Sounds different than your family I take it????

I think name calling is very generic Bratt (a lot of other people on this thread). 'Selfish' is also one of the words of choice in my family if I don't do exactly what they want (adding to the laundry list). Being accused of 'thinking I am better than them' also used to pull me back down to their way of thinking. How can someone else tell you what you think? These are all forms of emotional abuse and control.

I am sorry to hear that they all attempted suicide. Are you trying to point out that the language they use is learnt (like mine) from a central controlling person? Did they experience similar traumas to you and that is affecting how they feel about the world and themselves in that world? Could these words be projections - that is, this is how they feel about themselves and they are projecting that onto you? Or, do they internally feel a low sense of worth, therefore judge others who they perceive have a higher sense of worth to make themselves feel better about their own perception of self? Are these things - strength, worthlessness, selfishness - their core beliefs? Have you adopted these core beliefs because they abuse you with them?

I grew up with two sisters (one older, one younger) and an older brother. My sisters were not there for me, I had the role of the proverbial 'big sister' - why? because my mother made a martyr of me. That is, if my fathers attention was on destroying my life (starting at 6 yrs old) he would not go after my sisters. My fathers ability to build group consensus, much like a pack of wolves, always is a diversion for his actions and, at the same time, a manipulation so that others carrying out his 'predefined' cycle of emotional abuse on me.

Smart people, like me, could pick up that this was emotional abuse, and challenge him, and that made me more of a threat, which just continued the abuse cycle. Because I challenged him, my family thought I was the stronger of the bunch and could 'handle' everything better. It served them well to build this image of me as 'stronger' as this was also a way of them shifting the guilt off them for not protecting me. Thereby, when I need help, its such a surprise, my fault, I am the horrible one. Shifting the blame and pushing me into their image of me - 'your the strong one, you can handle it'. What they don't realize is that they were supporting his abuse, encouraging it, playing into it, and that made it all more the worse for me.

The help is never provided because my father is controlling the game and they listen to him and his abusive words. If they don't follow him and do what he says, they are at threat of being treated like me. Yes, they see a dynamic on a superficial level, they just don't understand it beyond what behaviors they need to exhibit to gain 'approval' from him. He helps the others, why? because that reinforces with others that I am the problem and not worthy. They don't see that they are being manipulated and trained to abuse me (pack of wolves). They just adopt the behavior as the norm.

When I comment on the disparity between how I am treated vs them, the answer is, well he has been a really good father to me, you're the one who is 'difficult', 'selfish', 'a problem' (they are reiterating my fathers words). That's why he doesn't help you - your asking too much (to store boxes in garage), you're too difficult (its inconvenient for them so they are being difficult), you don't want to be helped (I asked for help, they just don't want to help).

Beware the BS that is emotional abuse my dears. xxoo

Jacquie - you are my DOPPLE-BANGER!
 
The 3 sisters are all older. I lived with each one during my teen years because dad deseased and mother a drunk. Since I was the baby, they felt I got more attention when I was small and evidently they were required to help with my care. They resented that-and still do at 66 yrs old. I never blamed anyone because I didnt know how to get help with college when young. They never helped with anything, just wanted me to watch their kids and if I thought of going to a homecomeing or prom, I was delusional. Not only did they not offer with costs even though they were paid for keeping me, they would not offer their time. I could be there if I were no problem (invisible)
I married an abusive man. When I got out of the relationship and he stalked me, they showed concern. Gave them focus. When I was about to remarry a nice man, they made it clear they could not attend wedding for one reason or another regardless of date (wasnt set). As I pursued health, like daily exercise, they criticized. When I had children and they could not blow smoke in babys face, I thought I was better. I have a different father then them and this has been a source also. Fact is, we all grew up without much self esteem. We were taught no manners, sent so school without hair combed, teachers did not like divorced family much back then-sure there were other reasons.

For whatever reason, I think I came through better. Might have been the time-more counseling available and understanding of self esteem, might be resilience, genetics, etc. I am suppose to accept them for who they are, they are to punish me for who I am. There are twins and another sister. The twins have tried to get me into a triangle against the other. I dont do that. When I dont, they have gotten mad at me. I got into ACOA and co-d work in my twenties and sought out a healthier way of life. They hate me for it.

They have a list of any good deed that they did for me (took me in as teen, babysat, helped when I was being abused), even though it was 30 plus years ago.
Bottom line is insecurity. Doing something other than their way is a threat. Confronting a statment when they tell these stories that make no sense is not ok. They expect all to say that they doctor does not know what he is talking about because he found nothing wrong with so and so. It is so dysfunctional its a joke.
They are ugly people-they want to continue with poe me
I was the scape goat
Now I have no contact and that is good
 
Bratt,

I understand what they are putting you through. I can see the anger and hurt you are feeling (big hugs xxoo). I also completely empathize with your comment: "I am supposed to accept them for who they are, they are to punish me for who I am". It is very dysfunctional! And, not what relationships are about. Relationships are two way, give and receive, not give and get punished.

Keeping a list of 'so called good deeds' they have done for you and throwing that in your face, is also not my definition of love. It is another control game to give them attention and empathy rather than looking at and addressing what you need. I understand how you describe them as insecure, and that doing what they do, might be a confirmation of them doing something well in their mind. Doesn't mean you have to oblige them though! Trying to put you in the middle of family feuds to confirm their side of the argument? Not right. I think, they can knock themselves out, but don't expect any sympathy or you to take sides in their pettiness. You have a right and the intelligence to make up your own mind. You don't need them to make up your mind for you! Sheesh!

I am glad that you are not submitting to being the scapegoat, and glad you stood up for yourself. I am very proud of you! You are resilient, strong, insightful, intelligent and very capable. You have every right to walk away. And, contrary to what you think in your original post (feeling you have a shortened life), you have a very long and full life ahead of you. It's because, you are clearly a fighter! and a survivor! Because you have the good conscience to say to yourself, the way of life before is not healthy, and the intelligence to seek out and find healthier way to live, you will probably out live me :)

Love to you, xxoo
 
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