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News Plagiarism: Intellectual Betrayal, Emotional Fallout

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Mods, please move this if it's not in the appropriate place. I often go back and forth about which forum to post something in and am often wrong, ha. I put it here because it's currently in the news.

This plagiarism thing involving Melania Trump is bringing back bad memories. Twice in my career I had to deal with plagiarists. The second time was the worst. It happened post-PTSD onset, near the end of my career, and I was also trying to deal with overwhelming betrayal, abuse, etc. issues from my past. Plagiarism is a form of betrayal, of lying. (To add to my situation, one of my best friends, who was also a colleague, was struggling with cancer at the time. She died during my last month on the job.)

I discovered the plagiarism through checking on research the writer did because a few things in her work didn't ring right or weren't clear enough or any number of reasons. I doublechecked and triple checked her writing against her sources after I noticed some of the prose was the same. I was then instructed to look for more instances and found more, a lot more. I felt insulted. I felt embarrassed for her. I felt disgusted at the apparent lack of integrity. I felt sick to my stomach because I knew I had to tell my boss and that then I would be the one who would have to talk to her about it. That was one of the worst work experiences in my career. Having to say to another writer, umm, you wrote x, y, and z, and so did this other writer, or these other writers, in the same words, and umm, not only is that unacceptable, it's illegal. It's wrenching. I thought of how horrified I would feel if I'd done that. In fact, I kind of did feel horrified as I think most conscientious writers feel when confronted with this. Plagiarism can happen accidentally on the rare occasion (if you don't have a good system for keeping your writing separate from the words of other writers whose work you are consulting), but not nearly as often and as consistently as this particular writer did it. And most professional writers do have their own systems for avoiding doing this even accidentally.

I feel what journalists and former speechwriters are expressing on the news. When writers hear of this, we tend to feel it in our guts because we know intimately how much work it takes to research something, then write something new in our own words that will add to common knowledge. (George Orwell compared writing a book to suffering from a long illness.)

Plagiarism is, of course, not as bad as starting a war or anything, but it does speak to integrity, the level of respect one has for the fundamental right to own our own creative efforts, and the ability to make amends when you screw up.
 
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I've been on a news fast today, Joey, so I don't know, though I trust hubby would fill me in if there was any breaking news on this, because both of us are or have been writers and editors and this issue cuts deep to our hearts. At this point, who knows if the same speechwriter was involved in both cases? I also tend to think not, but we are living in a weird world these days. I have to admit there's a tiny little part of me that would not be surprised if Melania did this herself to undermine her husband's campaign. I admit that sounds really far-fetched, but if he's abused her, which wouldn't surprise me, she could certainly be capable of something like that. I don't want to say anything further. This is a purely and probably very unproductive speculation on my part. I'm just trying to restrain my thoughts and speculations until or unless the facts come out.
 
Yeah, they like to blame the Obamas for everything as well as Hillary.

I have never in my life felt so comfortable and secure with a president as I have with Obama. He is a very smart and careful person with good values and ideals.

I'm glad I'm getting back into therapy on Monday. It will probably be a bit of a haul to get to a rapport with a new therapist, but I know I need it. My symptoms have gradually increased since hubby's heart attack, even though he is doing excellently now. It was just the emergency situation and all the anxiety, just seemed to bring a lot of bad symptoms back in a pretty consistent way.

I have always been really sensitive to events in the larger world and so all these violent things that have happened in the last month or so have also really affected me. I know they've affected a lot of us. Hopefully after Monday I'll feel able to dump more on my therapist. That's why she gets the big bucks :-).

And I just feel the need to say I think there may be some correlation between our having a black president and our also having so many black men killed lately. That may well be an irresponsible statement as I have no research to back it up. But I say it in hopes that maybe someone else can do the research.

I am just sick in my heart about all the hatred. Much of which comes from Trump. How in the world did we get to this point? Where so many in the U.S. actually voted for this racist narcissist? My only solace right now is Trevor Noah on Comedy Central. And hubby, of course. Oh ,and Larry Wilmore.
 
I just saw the two footage played... Michelle's words then Trumps wife... almost identical.

Coincidence...... yeah right, I don't think so.

Just one more reason NOT to vote for Trump......blek!
 
I just really want Trump to do the right thing: find out who's responsible for this (which undoubtedly he already knows), hold them accountable, and protect his wife from falling victim to them again. If he didn't do this, it would be not only destructive to his campaign (though, believe me, I do not want him to win), but it would also be detrimental to his wife, which I don't want to see. Yeah, I guess she sealed her fate by marrying him, but that doesn't mean I don't have compassion for her. She doesn't deserve to be humiliated like this. No one does.
 
I am still trying to wrap my head around what actually happened here. I can only wait for more info because so far what's coming in is not really comprehensible to me.
 
I watched both speeches yesterday, and can not fathom HOW the Trump camp ended up BLAMING HILLARY for the speech?????? I was like f*ck REALLY???????? Never in my life have I heard anything so outrageous!!!!!

Trump is narcissism at its best IMHO!!!!!! I'm sure it even has his picture in the dictionary next to the word NARRCCIST !!!!
 
Lol, yeah, She Cat. Look up narcissist in the dictionary and we'll see his picture. That is at least his most dominant personality trait, if not his whole personality. I'm not a psych, so I won't go any further.

I guess I'm glad that a fellow writer stepped up and admitted what she did and felt remorse for it. Though it really sounds like Melania was at least an equal partner in this. The NYT article I cited earlier talked about how she purposely inserted portions of Michelle's speech into her speech. That really kind of blows me away. The only thing I can think of is that she was raised in Slovenia, which until the early 90s was part of the Soviet Union, which did not allow personal rights in many regards. So maybe she was going on that mindset? I don't know. It's still wrong. I grew up hearing over and over again that ignorance of the law is no defense.
 
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