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Relationship PTSD - The Impact On Relationships Continued

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You are right in some aspects linasmom.....however, you may have been aware of ptsd for a lot longer than some of us. I met my ex-BF in May 2007 and he was wonderful with no signs of ptsd for 8 months. At the end of January was when I first learned about what ptsd really is. So I have known about ptsd for 3.5 months....that is it. Period.

I am trying to learn about ptsd and maybe when I do write about my problems I am hoping for suggestions from others who may have already been down the road that I have. I don't think attacking someone because they love someone with ptsd is necessary. You have no idea my path or his path or really any other path that people have lived or walk on now. Ptsd is a huge issue with lots of different additional issues that go with it. Prior to this year I never even knew that ptsd existed.

We are all trying to learn from another and support others.

I am so sorry that you think that some of us "carers" are such a nuisance. Remember we don't have ptsd....we have no idea what it really feels like. So get off your soap box.

Sisu
 
Setting boundaries is something that is new to me, because in the past the boundaries with a non-PTSD sufferer were quite different. How do I tell someone with PTSD that they are not to do this or that, or I'm gone? I know, that's ambiguous, but that's the bottom line, right? I'm not dealing with someone who can control every single outburst with logic and reason, so I have to see what others think and take suggestions as they come. I do not have the time to read every post to see what someone else has done, so if a post is redundant, then people have to just deal with it. If it bothers anyone here then that's their problem, not mine. Every situation is unique in one way or another, and finding something that is identical to what happened to me is a crap shoot, at best.

As for implementing tools to set boundaries...sounds good, but that, too, is a crap shoot. For example: I told my girlfriend after the very first two-day shut out that I didn't like it and that I wanted her to include me so that I will know what's going on. She hasn't shut me out once since then, and we talk daily. That isn't going to work for many people, but it did for me. I wish every situation was that easy, but I cannot tell a woman who is stressing out that "it will be okay" when every fiber of her being tells her that it's all falling apart and that it's not okay. I have to find out what works for her. Someone said she held her hubby's hand and told him it wasn't a crisis and he calmed down. Will that work for everyone else? Probably not. I can hug my girlfriend when she's crying and stressing, yet someone else said they can't even get their partner to return a phone call or email for days. We are all different, carer & sufferer, and whatever I implement for my love isn't necessarily going to work for another. We are here to learn, but blasting us because you've read a similar scenario already is not how we learn to deal with it, it's how we learn to avoid.

As it was said once before, some of us do come here to vent, to release what has happened because we know that telling our SO how we feel isn't going to be taken lightly by them. With my girlfriend, she carries a lot of guilt, so telling her how she made me feel puts her on the defensive even more. I've learned that sometimes waiting until the next day, or until the crisis is over, that she is more accepting of what I tell her.

This IS the carer section, and if a sufferer comes here to read a post where I am venting, they have two options: They can get pissed off at me because they don't like the fact that I clearly don't understand PTSD as much as they do; or they can try to relate to what I posted and realize that I'm human, and it may help them to see what their carer, who is totally in love with a sufferer, is going through and they can try to understand how we feel during those times. We are all here to learn, no matter what our role is.

I do get upset, but I also do see the good in her, and I'm not only learning about PTSD, but also bipolar and about her in general. She is unique, she is more committed to our relationship than I could have imagined. She didn't know why I thought we were on the brink, because she see's this as her last relationship in life (meaing marriage and happily ever after). We're doing our best, and she's hurting inside because of what someone did to her. Call that an excuse if you must, but it doesn't mean I like it just because I am willing to work past it. I personally like to be optimistic about what's happening, and I would hate to give up on a beautiful person only to find out later that all she needed was time and someone to care and lover her unconditionally.

I have to work on some things myself, just because I'm labelled as a "carer" it doesn't mean that I have everything under control. It's a team effort and a two-way street. I'm learning, but this is all very new to me and I can't be expected to know what works for her just because it worked for someone else.

My girlfriend possess many qualities that I want in a relationship. PTSD is not taking away from who she is, it's just showing me who she isn't. She suffers from low self-esteem, guilt, and shame because of what someone did to her. She asks me why I love her with all her issues and I remind her that I've seen who she is on the inside and that's who I fell in love with. She wonders why so many bad things have happened to her, and feels like she did something to deserve them. With time maybe I can help her see that she really does deserve to be happy and content. And who knows...maybe when that happens she might think I'm not good enough for her! :smile:
 
Sisu,

I do not need to get "off of my soap box", it's my opinion and I'll voice it. If you feel particularly upset by my statements, you should ask yourself why. In fact, I challenge anyone who feels particularly upset by my statements to ask themselves why.

Please do not take my words and "spin" them, I mentioned nothing about being naive to PTSD nor did anything I say imply that sentiment and its resulting behaviors.

Best,
Rachel
 
I think that a lot of this conversation is not necessarily about what the sufferer is doing, but what the carer is not doing ie - setting boundaries!

To continually come to the forum and post about how "bad" things are without expressing how you, as a carer, have implemented any of the information you (anyone) have found on this forum can be frustrating for other members, mods, whomever. Remember, this forum is about helping people become healthy and about helping people have healthy relationships.

:wink:

Rachel,
Did you read what I wrote and what Unbroken wrote? And did you read what you wrote? The attached post by you attacks carers as not learning how to implement advice learned on a timeline that you feel is sufficient. We all learn at different paces. And as a carer, maybe I have my crosses to bear too ~ we all have our own problems regardless of our mental state. You are in the carer section attacking and you are a sufferer. We need to have this section to discuss our feelings and viewpoints....which are new to lots of us....without attack from someone who has known about ptsd for years.

I feel no threat from you or any other person on this forum. I frankly could care less what other think of me and my life choices. I am simply trying to learn about ptsd.

Maybe you need to ask yourself why you are so upset (or frustrated as you say) with us for trying to learn as much about ptsd so we can help the ones we love.

Sisu
 
Sisu,

Firstly, you should not assume what I know and for how long - just because I am a sufferer does not mean that I have had years of understanding how PTSD affects my life and the life of those around me. Secondly, this section of the forum is open to all members - rarely do I come in here and post but I can if I want just as I see your name "SISU" show up in the PTSD chat section.

If you feel that I am being "attacking" that is your issue, not mine. You can say the word "attacking" 10 million times in your replies to me, but that will never make it true. I was honest and blunt.

To say that I'm "frustrated with us for trying to learn" is a gross misinterpretation of my statements in this thread. Again, don't spin my words to conform to your excuses. My concern here is that there are posts about relationships that are quite obviously not relationships at all, but abuse and that this forum is not about perpetuating abusive relationships, but to help people have healthy ones. And yes, that means that to continually post about how bad a relationship is without ever mentioning ways in which the carer has made healthy efforts to correct the problems is unproductive, unhealthy, unreasonable, to down right ridiculous. If you construe that statement as putting a "time-line" on your efforts, so be it.

Best,
Rachel
 
That is the best thing about being human. We all have our own opinions. I guess on this we must agree to disagree. You don't see my point and I don't see yours. I am sorry for that.

Take care,
Sisu
 
Calm Down

This thread has become a little argumentative. If continues I will be forced to close it.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss, like what has been said, boundary setting by carers and good versus unhealthy relationships.

It is up to you what you take from the posts and what you don't but it is not personal against anyone. If you interpret it as so, like Rachel said, you should ask yourself why as there is a reason what is written here is hitting nerves.

Please take a deep breath before you continue posting in this thread and ask yourself is what you are posting relevant or is it defensive because you have taken what has been written here too personally.
 
Amen, Unbroken! You are such a good writer! :)

I am one of the recent folks who has been seeing someone who suffers with PTSD and came to this site for help, guidance and to simply understand.

When things changed drastically in my relationship, I spent days digging on the internet to try to find something - anything - beyond the numerous cookie-cutter one page descriptions about PTSD. Finally I found this site. The support and understanding of others on here really helped me get through a tough time and led me to a greater sense of understanding what I couldn't have obtained otherwise.

I think it is important to remember that when folks like us stumble upon this site, we often are in a state of shock ourselves and are struggling to make sense of things. While our partners may have tried to alert us to their PTSD, I would dare say no carrer is really prepared for what transpires when it kicks in with someone you're dating.

I suppose in any new relationship, both parties are on their best behavior, trying to present a bright and interesting personage to the other person. Unfortunately, when PTSD rears its ugly head in the sufferer, the carrer can go rapidly from being with a wonderful person to being pushed away. We end up being left with a lapful of confusion and a host of questions, trying to sort out what is happening to the person we have come to love.

Most people can't just shut their emotions off when things take a turn for the worse, so give us a break if we all can't be a 1-minute manager with our personal lives, and make on the spot decisions to stay or leave. It's never that simple.

I think any carrer who is new to this site is entitled to the support, guidance and consideration of their fellow members as they work through the issues involved with their encounter with a loved one with PTSD. And, yes, at some point, hopefully with a bit of knowledge gained from this site, they have to sit down and make an informed decision about whether or not to proceed with their relationship or if it makes more sense to move on.

Perhaps the answers might seem obvious to some folks who have been on here a while, but they may not be so clear to someone who is trying to make sense of what has happened with their relationship.
 
I think any carrer who is new to this site is entitled to the support, guidance and consideration of their fellow members as they work through the issues involved with their encounter with a loved one with PTSD.

The point which is being missed here is this is exactly what we are trying to do. We are reading the same thing over and over with only the names changing so we are trying to support and guide you by saying "hey, do you realise this". If new people to the site spent the time reading past threads in the Carers section I would have hoped they would have come to the same realisation.

People who have PTSD themselves are saying that what you are posting as 'reasons' you have rationalised for your Sufferer's actions are not excusable. PTSD is not an excuse to abuse another human being.

Perhaps the answers might seem obvious to some folks who have been on here a while, but they may not be so clear to someone who is trying to make sense of what has happened with their relationship.

While true, let me give you an example. I was dating a guy (who did not have PTSD) and we were getting engaged to be married. One day we had a disagreement and he punched me in the face splitting above my eye open. There was no rational reason for this nor did it make sense but that was it for me and I was out of there. I spent months trying to work it out in my head but I removed myself from the abusive situation which is what we are trying to say to you....if you are getting abused, get out until you work it out, don't stay and subject yourself to further abuse. We say this as we do care about your wellbeing.

Another example. You meet a guy down the gym. The first few months are all lovey dovey and he seems perfect. About 6 months in he starts going to the pub, not turning up for dates and only ringing you when he is drunk wanting a root....... Anyone in their right mind would tell you to piss him off and that you deserve better. Why is it that when you add the label PTSD to this mix that it makes it harder to work out???? Why do you expect any less of someone who has PTSD???? This is my point.

As stated, I am in a relationship with Anthony who has severe PTSD. Not at any point in our relationship have I nor will I allow him to use PTSD as an excuse to abuse or mis-treat me. I hold him accountable for his actions just as I would any other adult.

The point we are trying to get through here is some carers are using PTSD as an excuse for their partners to abuse them when it is not acceptable.
 
Nicolette, extremely well said.

If someone is verbally, physical abusive, an alcoholic, serial cheater then it doesn't matter if he/she has PTSD, bipolar, diabetes, a migraine headache - none of those things excuse abusive disrespectful behaviour. It's a cop out.
 
I think it is important to remember that when folks like us stumble upon this site, we often are in a state of shock ourselves and are struggling to make sense of things. While our partners may have tried to alert us to their PTSD, I would dare say no carrer is really prepared for what transpires when it kicks in with someone you're dating.

I suppose in any new relationship, both parties are on their best behavior, trying to present a bright and interesting personage to the other person. Unfortunately, when PTSD rears its ugly head in the sufferer, the carrer can go rapidly from being with a wonderful person to being pushed away. We end up being left with a lapful of confusion and a host of questions, trying to sort out what is happening to the person we have come to love.

Most people can't just shut their emotions off when things take a turn for the worse, so give us a break if we all can't be a 1-minute manager with our personal lives, and make on the spot decisions to stay or leave. It's never that simple.

I totally agree with that.
It can be hard to make a decision, and it definitely takes some time to fully evaluate the situation cause at first you don't know much and everything's not just black or white.

See, my ex was using alcohol to help him cope with his issues, and I'm perfectly conscious it's an unhealthy behaviour.
But he was never drunk, angry or violent and never cancelled one of our plans to go to pub for example. If he did, of course I would have break up straight, and end of story. But he was working normally, a responsible person...


Now I realise he had to control himself and surely reduced his drinking when with me, (I guess he just didn't feel able to control himself full time and it's the reason why he didn't want to move in with me) but when we met, I had not sufficient knowledge about dependance and PTSD to make sense of things.

+ Not all sufferers alert their partner about their problem, some never even had therapy ... I guess many of them will maybe never be diagnosed...

Setting boundaries is surely easier when you understand the situation a minimum.
I'm not ashamed to say I didn't understand what happened with my ex straight after I felt this "change" in him, cause there was this feeling of something wrong, but it was kind of "diffuse".

Though it didn't take me a long time to leave when I started feeling unhappy, and I can feel it's what matters in the end. That you don't forget yourself and you respect yourself as you should.
 
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