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Realization Of The Quarter Century: My Mother Is Narcissistic

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Yes Jade, we have talked about this and she has said that this is not DID as I do not have alternate identities and am aware of who I am even when in a dissociatvie state. The way she describes the frozen ego states and the way she has me relating to them seems like she is describing split personality but it is different. My mom does the same thing and drinking definitely makes it worse.
 
I don't have alternate identities either.....I'm aware of who I am and what I'm doing too. What I was saying was my T. says it's 'basically' the same, just a lesser degree. What he means is when these ego states pop up, they affect behavior. And they do, because they affect our thinking and the way we react.

An example is your 'young' ego state. I'm sure while in that state you tend to react like a young kid, right? By over-reacting, feelings hurt, etc...
That was the point I was trying to make.....
 
Aaaah thank you both. When I've heard of DID I thought I had some reminiscent type feelings but not exactly what I was reading about. I will talk to my therapist about this but Iam gave me lots of info and ideas (as well as validation and comfort that I'm not crazy... tyty (hug))

A couple new ideas after thinking about what you said, it didn't occur to me to "talk" to her. I was just thinking about asking her to move into my brain. Before I do that, I COULD talk to her. I'm such a dingbat but I really didn't think about this before you wrote it. This seems less scary than asking her to move in right away. I don't want to reject her like my mother has rejected me, in any way, but I do like to think through big decisions because I like to follow through on my commitments. I feel sorta like.... I need to clean house a tiny bit and make sure her room is ready, etc... and since this is all a new idea I just need a little time. But when the timing is right I will try the talking thing.

Also re:

I should explain to these alter egos when they pop up trying to protect me like they used to that "You don't need to protect me any more. I appreciate that you did and you did a good job in protecting me, but it isn't necessary anymore...

This was really sweet, first of all, and Iam she sure did do a great job protecting you. The idea that the other Jennie is stuck in a state of reacting to something that was hurting me is also something I hadn't thought about. And the idea she comes out trying to react now was VERY interesting, I'm going to think of that more. I was in shock - almost walking-zombie shock for as best I can tell, 2+ years after my first huge trauma. And ya know, when I have flashbacks, sometimes it is like a shock state again. So I guess for my Jennie I could tell her something slightly different, like "You don't need to go into shock any more, I love how sweet and innocent you were and you reacted the way you did to keep me functioning despite no one was there to help me, but it isn't necessary any more because I've learned new ways of getting through tough times now" or something along those lines.

I love how I am actually thinking about all this crap and not freaking out, this was impossible for so many years... But if I think about how much I like that too much, I want to puke. LOL. But no, it's good... thank God for friends, the forum, & good therapist & psych.
 
jen, I wasn't insinuating you were crazy or anything by mentioning DID. I was merely stating what my T. had said. Sorry if you thought I was meaning that's what you have.
 
Please don't worry!! I was referring to myself when I originally said (before sharing my 2 jennies idea)

This will sound like I'm crazy (ok fine I am) but heres something new lately.

But I do love how everyone here is very careful of each other's feelings ((hug))
p.s. I need a bit more coffee, I might have sounded a little haphazard in my organization.
 
OK I need to brush up on my reading comprehension skills a bit. When you said "I was thinking about inviting her to live with me in my head" I thought you meant "in my head, I just decided I would invite my mother to come live with me" and I almost freaked!! LOL. Inviting another Jennie sounds much better.

The book 'The Haunted Self' is by the Van Der Kolk guy and the book really ties together DID and CPTSD. He presents it like a continuum. If your personality is a vase, is it fully intact, or does it have several deep fissures, or is it lying on the floor in pieces? Since I've started doing trauma work, the image that comes to mind for envisioning myself (and I don't have DID) is a bag of broken glass. I imagine the pieces jingling in the bag. Sometimes I feel like I'm looking at myself in a fragmented mirror where all the shards are rotating in a circle.

Frozen egos... I can relate to that. I wonder if that kind of immobility is related to the freeze response? Is that ego standing perfectly still so she won't get 'caught'?
 
Yes Nora I think so. In fact my other T brought that exact thing up. He gave an example of a time when I was in the barn and heard a neighbor come over to our house and start screaming at my husband. I completely froze and started shaking. My T said that this was a younger ego that was terrified and froze to keep me from going near the fight.

Jade I wasn't offended either. Maybe I should ask her again. Last time when I asked her I used the phrase "split personalities" and she said know. I will bring up DID specifically, though I am not sure that hte dx or label is necessary as I understand the concept of what we are trying to do. God, the whole thing just makes me so sad.

I'm glad it helped Jen. I mentioned holding the "Little 3 yr old me" and bringing her back. When I was comforting the teen me I held her and stroked her hair. Told her that it's ok, she is safe now. She told me how alone she is, how scared and how she feels invisible. Yeah....she talked back to me. Same thing when I was reaching the 7 yr old me. She talked to me, was very angry and distrustful. In my mind I had taken her to a stream and she was playing in the water, ignoring me but shooting me these scowling glances every once in awhile. Then she tried to engage by splashing water on me, but as soon as I came too close she retreated. The was all while doing EMDR. I went back to her onmy own later that day, back to the same stream. I found a shell in the water and acted totally absorbed in it until she couldn't stand the curiousity anymore and came over to me. She asked what it was, I told her and asked her if she wanted it. She put it in her pocket. Then later she came back to me. She was devestated because the shell had broken and was afraid of how I would react. I told her it was ok, in fact perfect because look, now she could have half and I could have half and whenever we see the shells we will think of eachother. She grinned. Then I told her I bet we could find another whole shell and we searched for one. She found one and was all excited jumping up and down. I was so happy that I was able to connect with her.

Ok..this was long and I know it sounds crazy, sorry. I just wanted to show you how I connected with her. It was so cool. I didn't conjure up or force any of the "vision" I guess you could call it. The whole experience just flowed on it's own. It really gave me hope that I could learn to comfort myself and become whole again.
 
Oh Iam, that's so sweet with the shell and your 7 yr old self! I've always imagined conversations between younger and older versions of me. Sometimes I call out to future me's for assurance that I'm going to get through something too. I haven't been able to imagine taking care of my younger self exactly, it seems too overwhelming, but I have started crying for the frozen little me's more and that seems like a good start.
 
I could write a book in response to all these ideas, just haven't had time yet.

One thing I realized she (other jennie) does is over-analyze. I guess like I always tried to do when trying to figure out my mother and the things she would say to me, what they "really" meant. I'm telling her about that, that she did a good job trying but my mom is crazy and I don't have to do it with everyone. Plus I'm an adult now and I am not stuck relying on anyone even if they do hurt me. It helped a lot last sunday when someone said something to me and I started to really analyze what his underlying motives were.
 
Hi all . .Im new here but finding it very helpful.

I also have had a shoe dropping realisiation that a close [now totally cut out] 'friend' had NPD.
When I stumbled accross the disorder description randomly online, i nearly fell over. He exhibited every single one of the traits, and as i had already identified him as someone who made me feel much MUCH worse anytime i saw him, i was able to use this diagnosis [by me :) ] as a means to not fall back into 'trying to understand' him, or go back to our 'friendship' [which was nothing of the sort] . . .and to completely reject his fakery for ever. It stands to reason, though, that this would have been far [faaaar] harder if he was family, or if i was in a relationship with him.

Here is the list and synopsis, I hope its appropriate to post these;
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Symptoms of this disorder [NPD] include, but are not limited to:
• Reacts to criticism with anger, shame, or humiliation
• May take advantage of others to reach their own goal
• Tends to exaggerate their own importance, achievements, and talents
• Imagines unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power, intelligence, or romance
• Requires constant attention and positive reinforcement from others
• Easily becomes jealous
• Lacks empathy and disregards the feelings of others
• Obsessed with oneself
• Mainly pursues selfish goals
• Trouble keeping healthy relationships
• Is easily hurt and rejected
• Sets unrealistic goals
• Wants "the best" of everything
• Appears as tough-minded or unemotional

The symptoms of Narcissistic personality disorder can be similar to the traits of individuals with strong self-esteem and confidence; differentiation occurs when the underlying psychological structures of these traits are considered pathological. Narcissists have such an elevated sense of self-worth that they value themselves as inherently better than others. Yet, they have a fragile self-esteem and cannot handle criticism, and will often try to compensate for this inner fragility by belittling or disparaging others in an attempt to validate their own self-worth. It is this sadistic tendency that is characteristic of narcissism as opposed to other psychological conditions affecting level of self-worth.

In children, inflated self-views and grandiose feelings, which are characteristics of narcissism, are part of the normal self-development. Children are typically unable to understand the difference between their actual from ideal self, which causes an unrealistic perception of the self. After about age 8, views of the self, both positive and negative, begin to develop based on comparisons of peers & become more realistic. Two factors that cause self-view to remain unrealistic are dysfunctional interactions with parents that can be a lack or excessive attention. The child will either compensate for lack of attention or act in terms of unrealistic self-perception.

The CNS, Childhood Narcissism Scale, measurements concluded that narcissistic children seek to impress others & gain admiration but do not have any interest in creating sincere friendships. CNS researchers have measured that childhood narcissism has become more prevalent in Western society: any types of activities that focus on overly praising the individual, can raise narcissistic levels. More research is needed to find the reasons that promote or protect against narcissism.

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[taken from wikipedia]



All the best,

Blessings,

Kieran.
 
I have had a similar experience with my mom, I actually was a mom to her.Its no fun, cuz when I needed her most when I was being abused by my husband, she told me that I just wasnt being a good wife and sometimes we deserve it.I was supposed to forgive 7 times 77 as the bible puts it. Nice, huh?
 
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