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Serious Verbal Altercation At Work

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whiteraven

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I am a part of the management team at work. Sort of "lower management." My own manager doesn't respect me much, even though she depends on me 100% to do all the work and take care of things when she's gone (and, well, when she's there).

I work in the evening with 3 others fairly new employees, all of whom I've trained. They are at various skill levels, and I am available all day for each of them whenever needed. Mostly, we get along well as a team, and work together well. One, though, has a huge issue with anger, hostility, general rudeness, and emotional regulation.

She has a lot of personal issues, and I try to take this into consideration, but she has been insubordinate to me a couple of times and just downright nasty on a number of occasions. I've discussed the issue with my manager, and she kind of blows it off, although she has discussed it with her twice (more, I think, to appease me than anything else). The other two in the dept have also complained to the manager, to no avail.

Oh, and she denies she is angry, or hostile, or rude, or that she yells.

So, last night, this woman got into a huge (and I mean HUGE) altercation with the other two in the office. They responded to my immediate direction to lower their voices and attempt to discuss the situation in a calm manner, but this woman just escalate. She was *yelling*, said loudly, "NO!" when I suggested we calmly and quietly discuss whatever the problem was, accused me of having "favorites," and a whole host of other things that were abusive and hostile.

She was completely out of control. This was late, and there was no other management around. It was right before she was ready to leave, and she was contained in her cubicle and finally just said, "I think you all just need to stop talking to me" which they did, and she left shortly thereafter. I wanted to ask her to shut down her computer and leave, but didn't, because I was concerned my manager would not back me on that.

Besides being enormously triggering for both me and the other girl in the department with PTSD, I am really concerned about how to handle the upcoming meeting with HR. I made it *very* clear to my manager that this was a completely inappropriate reaction on the part of this woman regardless of what was said to her, that there was no justification for how she behaved, and that I expected something to be addressed on this immediately. My manager agreed, but *still* indicated she was likely only 70% to blame. In my estimation, you are 100% responsible for what comes out of your mouth, no matter what people say to you. And that comes from someone who totally gets what it means to be triggered - all over the place.

I really and truly just want things to be calm and quiet and I want everyone to get along. I get that doesn't always happen when people are together, but why do people have to be so ugly to each other? omg. It just makes me cry.
 
DOCUMENT. Do you have notes of when and what was discussed with your manager? What was discussed with your employees? Make notes. Make notes about what happened (because you're likely to be stressed and anxious in the meeting with HR) Write everything down and as much as possible, take the emotion out of it. You can say, "when this happened, I felt" statements. Those are totally appropriate.

Sorry this is happening. I've been in similar situations. It might be that your supervisor is conflict avoidant?

I'm in a slightly different situation but sitting in the upper-middle-management hot seat. Because this guy has pulled a couple of fast ones to make me look bad, I wait till a couple of people come to me, THEN I pull my boss into the fray because he's tried to say that I was intimidating him by having a closed door meeting with him.

I would also ask HR if there are any courses or books/websites that you can read that can help you with progressive discipline.

Progressive discipline will mean keeping a running log of your interactions with everyone one on every day but it will help you in the future if you keep having problems with this employee. Just remember to do it for everyone or it will wind up looking like you are singling one person out and that you are TRYING to get rid of someone.

sorry if this is disjointed. I'm exhausted and need more coffee.
 
Sounds to me like you handled it about as well as can be expected with an over the top employee. But I would not add to the mix of the situation your rumination about "My own manager doesn't respect me much" - sort of rings perceptual bias to me.

Being a manager was not easy for me (I was an Aquatics Director at one time). I didn't really have what it took to deal with the personalities/situations that arise though by all accounts I was capable/competent. It was difficult though for me and I expect it likely is for you too.

Reframe and document your situation ahead of the HR meeting.

(Heh, Desi beat me to the punch cuz I got a call and forgot to press post reply).
 
DOCUMENT. Do you have notes of when and what was discussed with your manager? What was discussed...
Thank you for this. I started keeping detailed notes on every interaction - training, meetings with management, everything - several months ago, because of the very things you talk about here. And actually, since I started training, I've always kept detailed logs of that, much more detailed than anything anyone else keeps.

Yes, my manager does not deal well with conflict at all. She also is extremely laid back and tends to (literally) laugh off most of the concerns that are brought to her.

I plan to go in prepared to the meeting, with detailed notes. Hoping I can stay calm and focused and rational.
 
Sounds to me like you handled it about as well as can be expected with an over the top employee....

Thanks. But the "my manager doesn't respect me much" isn't merely perception. It is documented, observable truth. Not something only I notice, but others do as well. Not something I will mention in this upcoming meeting, but I mentioned it here because I was venting.
 
It's good you are documenting as much as you can. Create a paper trail of communication with HR. I would write up a list of your concerns and observations in a detailed and factual way. Then give them a copy at the meeting. If they don't take action and there are future incidents, it will be on them and they will have serious potential liabilities

As for handling the meeting itself, I'd plan on some grounding skills you can use if things stir up anxiety. This sounds strange but I like to bring a frozen water bottle to meetings and hold it now and then. It can bring my body out of panic just enough to stay calm during a difficult meeting.
 
No apology from the one who was the primary problem in this altercation. Next day I got an IM from her, telling me she thought my handling of the situation was "unprofessional." LOL She has been with the company for 6 months. I've been there for 13 years and I was the epitome of a seasoned professional in handling this.

So why do I always feel like I am the one who was "bad"? And "wrong"? And needs to apologize or defend or figure out how to fix it. And why do I have to spend 5 days recovering from a 40 minute incident?
 
Thank you, Heather. I just wish I felt better about it, and it didn't affect me in such a negative way. 5 days, and I can't leave the house and I am still a mess emotionally. I'm due to go back tomorrow, when I find out if anything will be done about this. And my biggest worry? That I will be in trouble for making too much of it. Yeah.
 
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