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Si: To Go Back In Time And Act Out My Suicide

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Does anyone else do this? My suicidal ideations are linked to the non stop memories and vivid recalls.

It's like I am back in childhood, back in the bedroom where many of my vivid memories and unbearable feelings stem from (from one incident I cannot remember). I get very strong suicidal urges and feelings - I have such a strong need / urge to 'be back in time' and kill myself.

The memories of being in that one particular bedroom are like one giant screensaver of my life - my head tells me I cannot escape them - unless I kill myself WHILE I am back in that bedroom mentally.

Does that make sense?

It sort of feels like 'unfinished business' - I was about 9 or 10 years old when the incident happened. I was very suicidal that day, but unable to think of suicide as I didn't know about it (although at one point I did try to drown myself in the bath). It's like, now I am older, I KNOW 'how' to kill myself, and my thoughts are strongly urging me to 'do it' now, because I could not do it then.
 
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Have you tried trying to visualise yourself being saved from the room instead, or somehow going back in time to save yourself? I don't know if that would help or not and it would take a lot of practice and time to replace the need to kill yourself in the room, but might be worth trying? Give the 9 or 10 year old you a different way out. I know it wont actually change what happened but might help with this aspect of it.
 
First, understand that the abuser wants you to feel that way. They all want and need for all of us to feel that way, forever. It keeps them safe, their crime hidden. And we can't let them have that satisfaction!

You must understand that a crime was committed against a very small, young child. Something evil was done to you and that you did nothing wrong. The trust of a very small child was abused. That child deserves life as much as anyone does.

Think about a 9 or 10 year old that you know now. Do you think they would be able to know that they could not trust the abuser?

I remember when my son was approaching the age I was when it happened to me, and I suddenly felt the need for therapy because in seeing him I finally realized how small and vulnerable I was.
 
I did try to come up with alternative endings - at one stage. The only option I could come up with other than killing myself was to leave the room, go up behind my mother as she watched TV and stab her repeatedly until she died. she didn't say anything, I didn't say anything, I wasn't even 'angry' so much as in a trance. And there wasn't a lot of blood either.

But then I didn't want to leave her body - when she could no longer hurt me was when I finally felt safe enough for her to be my mummy, and I wanted to be with her so bad.

I see my psychologist this morning, I will be talking to her about this. I just wanted to know if other people had this with their vivid memories.

My mother died suddenly when I was ten (I walked in on her as she had her fatal heart attack - yeah, great I know). I feel as she is dead there is no sense of 'I will beat her' and 'not let her win' by overcoming anything. It feels irrelevant whether I do or not.
 
It doesn't necessarily have to be a realistic ending, it can be as fantastic as you like. You as an adult can go back there and fly her out of the window on a winged unicorn if you like.

I repeatedly have a very vivid fragment of memory of being in bed age about five or six and staring at the wallpaper, terrified to go to sleep. Recently I have started putting the adult me to sit on the end of the bed to keep watch so that the child me can go to sleep.

I guess what I'm trying to say is to try finding a way of treating the nine or ten year old you with the compassion she deserves instead of trying to kill her off - she doesn't deserve that, no child does, YOU don't deserve that.

As I said in the post above, you won't be able to replace the feelings straight away, but if you practice it persistently it could help.
 
I would consider something like Somatic Therapy, where you don't have to necessarily discuss the details and retraumatize yourself but where a good ST therapist could safely bring you close to the feeling of being there and help you release the trauma energy, release you from the Freeze of that time when you couldn't fight or flight. That inner tension, inner chaos can become literally unbearable. It was for me.
 
I can relate to this. All that is happening is that the memory is surfacing in pieces. You got the room piece. I think screen saver is a perfect way to describe the "container" aspect of the memory fragment of the visual of the space. Now within that memory of space, you have let surface a particular emotion-thought. This emotion-thought is what I call an "instinct" or "impulse" right now for lack of the correct or better term. It is not discussed in normal human consciousness from what I can tell because most people have not felt it. I do not really know what it is.

Because when I have flashbacked to this "impulse" it came to me as a sudden realization that although I thought I WAS actually dying, I was still "stuck" here. The moment I realized I had been at the point of death, where I actually "left my body" and was "killed" but was still here, my mind/spirit "freaked out" about coming back. It feels like a dirty trick. And every cell of my body longed for this life to have been done with. I didn't want to come back. I wanted to be done here. The depression from PTSD feels like a vestage of this unwillingness to come back and live out life after those conditions. As if when I die in this life, it will be for the second time. Rather than feeling positive for the opportunity to come back, there is a sense of being cursed, doomed, and marked for life that comes with a brush with death. Many people who have had NDE's express this, although others express more positive, angelic and gratitude feelings for a second chance. I am working on that perspective in terms of love.

(This may get too deep for some; fair warning.) I believe that consciousness is connected to our soul. Soul is our true life. It is like a light that burns brighter when we grow spiritually. It almost burns out completely when we become sociopaths and predators. Human predators' lights are so dim that they will be snuffed out completely and that person will not continue to exist as "we do." It is a terrible fate to cease to be alive at all. The remnant of the being of the evil/dark/shadow people will live hollographically and vicariously as an imprint of evil left as a mark on their victims; but their soul and free will will cease to be.

When our physical body experiences sufficient trauma, the soul "leaves" it. I believe this "impulse" you are remembering is the terrible feeling of it "coming back" into a traumatized "container" of consciousness (suddenly and when we could have just died and went to peace and "the light.")

I have felt it. It is a strong desire to not be "here" anymore and to wish to escape from experiencing life, but on such a strong scale, that it is a state-dependent emotion that one can only feel during Trauma. It leads to a thought of suicide, but we know that suicide would not take us back to the death we just nearly missed. It's like missing your flight, and getting on a small boat full of holes out of desperation is not a comparable solution. Small trauma will not induce it, not even a lot of little traumas. This is the feeling of "coming back" to life in the middle of or directly after trauma.

I am sad you are processing this one. It has been the worst thing for me to reprocess so far. I kept getting the flashback to this moment/memory until I was able to reframe and release it. I did that by accepting it and seeing it for what it was, and for connecting it to the positive of my life right now. In other words, I thought "this was the worst feeling in the world, but it led me to be here in this moment able to remember that and yet, here I am, reaching out my hand and grasping my best friend, my husband's hand and saying "yes" to life again. I felt stronger. I decided to want this life, even with the trauma in it, in order to experience love. This love is deeper because I choose it even with the price tag of staying here and being in a body that contains a ton of buried trauma that is now resurfacing.

I am willing to pay the ticket to live the rest of this life. We can't sit in the station forever. Life is asking you to decide what you are living for (truly) or else why put up with the suffering of living anymore.

I send you my love and encourage you to grab hold of whatever it is you can't live without and hold onto it with gratitude for the experience.

XOXO Muse
 
I'm so glad you are going to talk to your therapist about this, and soon. I think imagery in these situations can be changed, but it's a matter of practise until you get the "new" version stronger than the "old" one in your head.

I have something kind of similar - if I get emotional flashbacks, I get the suicidal impulses and have to work hard to bring myself back to the present. I think it doesn't help for me that I tried to overdose at 11yrs (I think I tried to act on it even then). I don't intend to ever act on them again - the other day I walked around and around in circles with my body all stiff like a robot to circumvent my impulses. Lol. I will do anything to prevent myself, however weird!!! If I wait it out, the urge subsides with my flashback. Hang in there. I'm reminded of that movie "The Last of the Mohicans" and Daniel Day Lewis saying "Stay alive, no matter what occurs".

My T told me to consider if I came across a little girl in the park, in deep distress - how would I comfort her? That child in you doesn't need to die because she is in distress!!! She deserves Life!!! I agree with WillyKat too in that I wonder if the abuser wanted you to feel that way, and maybe that's why it's so strong? It would nicely "remove" their responsibility, and as Willy said, their crime would be hidden.

This:
I thought "this was the worst feeling in the world, but it led me to be here in this moment able to remember that and yet, here I am, reaching out my hand and grasping my best friend, my husband's hand and saying "yes" to life again

And this:
I am willing to pay the ticket to live the rest of this life.

You are a survivor, keep reminding yourself that. Hang in there, I hope you conquer this soon, best wishes.
 
Also, I have had the same dream of stabbing my mother (with a #2 pencil!) recently as I am working on accepting and releasing the anger for her harm to me. The anger is hard to accept as it is accompanied by so much unmet need.

I agree with Digger1 that it's going to be up to us to "magically" fulfill that unmet need now.

Thank you, D1. I am going to use this image, and I will try to see myself coming to stay with all the lonely images of my life prior to meeting my husband. Whenever I see those images, those terrible spaces, I will fill them with the love in my heart as a mother and wife and a loving teacher and friend. I will be there for "little me" from now on.

Thanks!
 
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I engage in bdsm. That means violent kinky sex sometimes with no actual "sex" attached.

Over the years I have periods where I have intense ideation and I can't get past a piece of trauma. It comes and goes for me which piece is dominant because I have a lot of different kinds of trauma.

I have, on multiple occasions, described to a trusted play partner what I was seeing in my head. I described it as a "fantasy". I usually didn't tell them that I was acting out something from my past. People in the bdsm community are generally smart enough to avoid people who just want to act out trauma over and over again. So I got good at... not exactly lying--call it misdirection.

So I reenacted a lot of the different traumas in my life and I did play with endings. Sometimes I just relived the helplessness of not being able to do anything about it. Sometimes I changed the ending. Sometimes I fought and won. Depends on which time and trauma we are talking about.

Over time I found that either I got bored with a specific kind of "scene" and it just didn't come up in my head any more or I found some realization that made me feel better.

Hey, recent research shows that on average people who practice bdsm are more psychologically healthy than average because they communicate more and get their actual needs met...

Erm, but don't go ask people to beat you because maybe it will make your life better. That's a terrible motivation. Only let people beat you if you have complete control over how it happens and when it stops and it gets you off. Otherwise don't do it.

Holy off-topic, Batman. But you asked how I deal with intense suicidal ideation...
 
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