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Déjà Vu / Flashback / Going Back In Time Feelings?

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Yes yes at all of this - it is exactly how I feel !!!! I am going to print it and give it to my T you are all so much better at verbalising it - I get totally freaked out at any suggestion of anything thing to do with an inner child - really badly triggers me as does breathing and anything remotely to do with compassion - and a lot of the other 'coping skills ' feel like fighting a burning inferno with a tiny toy water pistol . I am so glad some of you feel the same I was beginning to think it was just me being crap.

@NovemberStar I will get back to the other stuff - maybe not today - I had a really horrible night very triggered - didn't cope very well - so just trying to keep safe today . Also dissociating a lot so can't really try and get that into words without zoning out.

@Pencil you have also hit right on why I have such major problems with my T - just the slightest thing cuts me so deep I can hardly bear it . I have never had that with anyone it's really hard to try and go with it . I am normally very unemotional and I just don't know what to do with the emotions he brings up in me when I am trying to stay attached - it hurts
 
I have never had that with anyone it's really hard to try and go with it . I am normally very unemotional and I just don't know what to do with the emotions he brings up in me when I am trying to stay attached - it hurts
My experience exactly. This is why I just can't handle therapy. When not in therapy I'm the picture of emotional stability. As soon as I start therapy I become a loon.
 
@digger - yeah, the interaction with my dog - I was lying on my stomach on the couch and he came to lie on top of me. But as I sad, even that didn't necessarily help me be present for long (a few seconds if that) - I was only aware I was having flashbacks because I found myself thinking 'what is my dog doing here - he doesn't belong as I didn't have a dog then'. It's hard to explain, but my flashbacks are incredibly subtle - and short - literally a second or two - and back and forth. The transition from the now to the past and back feels almost seamless. The only real clue is when I am aware of my thinking 'but this doesn't belong here' and I feel confused before realising 'it was just a flashback'. It's like one second I'm 'here' then I'm 30 years ago, a few seconds later - I'm back to now, then back to the past. I might be driving along the road, get triggered, be back in the past and then wonder what I'm doing driving a car because 'kids don't drive'. Or I'll momentarily wonder where I am, this city doesn't look right - it doesn't belong in the past.

Thankfully, the 'confusion' does help me realise it is a flashback - or was one - because otherwise it really, REALLY feels like some sort of magic trick or time travel - in the worst way possible - it's like I'm in a child like state where that sort of thing is absolutely possible and REAL.

WOW - typing this I realise - wow - I bet growing up I probably had flashbacks of things that happened all the time and this sensation of 'magic trick' was my explanation as to why things kept happening over and over (in the form of flashbacks). Far out - that is a huge breakthrough actually!!!!


@Pencil @Laura 2 @Jane.l
For me it's not necessarily the length of the flashbacks, but the sheer volume of them. Honestly I couldn't put a count on them on bad days - but if you imagine changing from the 'now' to the 'then' every few seconds without any real sense of why, repeatedly for half to an hour at a time, that's kinda what it's like.

My triggers are almost endless - because my trauma was essentially most of my childhood (physical, emotional abuse and manipulation by my alcoholic / codeine addicted mother, and sexual abuse by a neighbour), the first 10 years of my life contain millions of triggers. Sometimes a smell, or memory - but others like the exact way the sun shines and creates different light conditions / shadows at different times of the year.

Nature is a huge trigger - the seasons, are especially triggering - anything that looks 'beautiful' (a sunrise, sunset, trees, flowers etc), triggers flashbacks and / or dissociation when I'm feeling particularly vulnerable. I think that's one reason why I cannot tolerate those exercises - they often involve focusing on what is around you quite intently - and I did that growing up, so it becomes a trigger in itself.

Why I get so triggered by those suggestions? Partly because it feels like being asked to put a bandaid on a major surgical wound - it feels incredibly invalidating. It's also about not feeling SAFE ENOUGH to 'relax' when I'm in an intense situation with others (like the therapy context!). And because I have two very vivid memories of being made to do these exercises as a child. I remember going to see someone with my mother, and my sister and I had to lie on the ground and listen to and do a relaxation exercise - imagine lying on a sandy beach, the warm sand and our bodies sinking into it; going through each part of our bodies and clenching and then relaxing them and becoming sleepy. If anything, it just helped me dissociate - which lead me to feeling even more unsafe. And then on another occasion, my mother did it to me at home. My heart is pounding typing this so I won't go into details - but I remember lying on the bed feeling very very tense and pretending to 'relax' so she'd think it was working. She left the room, but I felt so incredibly UNSAFE. I think I was dissociated - or having the type of panic attack I have sometimes now - where my mind shuts off and my body can it move.

I'm the opposite of 'wanting someone to hug me and hold me close' - because my mother was "loving" at times, I'm really afraid (terrified) of getting close to others in a way where I'd be able to have my needs met - she would 'emotionally rape' me - invaded my sense of self so much I really did not know where I ended and she began. She used and abused my trust and dependence on her - promising to 'kill anyone who hurt me with her bare hands" yet she was the most abusive of all. She made me love her and then hurt me when I wasn't able to meet HER needs.

My T making me a cup of coffee and making the phone calls the other day has left me feeling invaded and afraid. Yes, on one hand it feels comforting and my inner wee girl is skipping with happiness and AWE that 'wow - she might actually CARE' but it is overshadowed by the intense fear of 'what next'. My main challenge in therapy IS the therapeutic relationship - trusting another human being and trying to allow them to 'care' or 'be kind' is the single most traumatic aspect for me in trauma therapy.
 
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@Pencil I re-read how you explained the reaction you have to talk of 'self care' and it is EXACTLY what it is for me too.

Thank you for the way you put it - I will tell my Dr how you explained it so she understands (why I cannot tolerate those so called relaxation / self cares). She concluded it was because I'm 'still too traumatised' - which is true - but you've captured exactly why that is. Being sent back to myself when I'm TRYING to reach out to someone else is really damaging.
 
@NovemberStar, during that short, hectic period I saw the therapist, I told her that I felt my life had folded over on itself, and that my present was superimposed on my past and there was only the thinnest 'veil' between the two, so that I was constantly moving back and forth between the two. My guess was and is that this is the OPTIMUM window of opportunity for healing - i.e. the time is now, and your therapist is either going to handle it properly or bungle it, like mine did. And a part of you knows this, and that creates a lot of fear.
 
@Pencil - wow, I very much get that 'overlap' sensation - that is what it is like for me with flipping back an forth - AND - it feels like I'm living a parallel existence sometimes - it's like it's both the present and the past, at the same time
 
it's like it's both the present and the past, at the same time

Yes, that's exactly how it was for me. And that is why I didn't want to be grounded in the present, as I saw the coming together of the past and the present as an opportunity for healing - I had to live in both, and heal in both, and not trap myself in either one of them - or get trapped in either. And that also explains why you slide so easily from the one to the other.

And that brings me to being both a child and an adult - it was the one time in my life that I lived as a child and an adult and switched from the one to the other in a matter of seconds. Now I'm back to being an adult and having a child part locked in a trunk.

I hope to God your therapist has more savvy than mine had. I think it was a tremendous opportunity - that just got missed.
 
Far out - that is a huge breakthrough actually!!!!
:hug::tup: Brilliant! So glad for you!

Being sent back to myself when I'm TRYING to reach out to someone else is really damaging.
Yes, exactly my feeling too.

that is why I didn't want to be grounded in the present, as I saw the coming together of the past and the present as an opportunity for healing - I had to live in both, and heal in both, and not trap myself in either one of them - or get trapped in either.
What an eloquent description... what you're talking about is integration which is a sine qua non of healing (anything, physical or psychological).
 
@Laura 2 - whole bunch of light bulbs going off here huh - while it's yuck so many of us relate to this stuff, it's pretty neat to know I'm not alone in thinking / feeling these things ;).

@Pencil - it's never too late Hun. You just need the right person at the right time. It can still happen - your child part doesn't have to be locked in the trunk forever. (I know, very easy for me to say when I'm feeling relatively 'ok' and all hopeful - probably wouldn't have said that last Friday when I was in the midst of one of the worst patches of intense flashbacks / dissociation / depersonalisation and super strong urges to self harm ....).

My T is awesome. She's a clinical psychologist and VERY skilled and knowledgable about trauma. Her other job (main job) is working on a program with patients who predominantly have BPD; it's a newish form of therapy sweeping the world in which BPD is viewed in a MUCH more positive, reaffirming kind of way - a stark contrast from 20 years ago when I was misdiagnosed as having it and treated like - literally - a pathologically manipulative attention seeker. Cos those with BPD of course aren't actually distressed and suicidal when they say they are - they're just attempting to manipulate doctors / nurses / T's into caring for them in their 'frantic' efforts to 'avoid' (imagined) abandonment [INSERT MASSIVE EYE ROLL RIGHT HERE :mad:].

(Don't get me started on the so-called diagnosis of BPD - cos personally I think it's a major crock of shit - I totally believe the vast VAST majority of those diagnosed with it don't have a personality disorder - but are simply traumatised. My 'issues' and way of being is NOT a 'personality defect' - it's very real reactions and responses to spending my entire childhood in a repeated pattern of trauma. It's NOT a 'disorder' it's freaking survival and very freaking NORMAL and appropriate response to a very f*cked up situation :mad:. A personality is constant anyway - funny how my so called BPD is ONLY ever present when I have PTSD. Over a decade without PTSD and I miraculously also didn't have any symptoms of BPD. A series if traumas via several major earthquakes and da-dam - PTSD back again, and arguably, some 'traits' of BPD .....)

Anyway - she works with a lot of people who have been experienced trauma throughout childhood. She doesn't apply one theory to any one situation - she just seems to KNOW. She never makes assumptions - never states how something IS - she always checks it out. She's is so sensitive to how I am feeling or might be feeling; and very much encourages me to tell her ANYTHING, not worrying if it. It hurt her feelings or cause her to be uncomfortable. When I send her an email prior to our weekly session about the big heavy stuff, she will bring it up near the start of the session - straight into it - which is awesome as it reaffirms to me she's not afraid or tentative around the ''hard stuff'. It tells my in we child it's ok'; she is confident and knows what she's doing - something adults around me growing up didn't seem to know. Having said that though - she will always seek my permission / check out if it's ok to talk about the hard stuff - and is very respectful of boundaries if I say ''no'. She encourages me to email her in between sessions as it helps her to help me. She encourages me to bring anything to her I've done to express what's happening for me (artwork, short stories, poems etc).

She is the best fit T I have ever had. I initially went to see her to try CBT but quickly it became obvious that she was the right person to do trauma therapy with :).
 
I'm coming late to this thread, but wanted to respond anyway because so much of it is resonating with me.

The reality is that I need to attach to someone who can deal with this and not send me back to myself - until I have healed to the extent that I want to get back to myself, which is the aim of therapy (with attachment disorders), and the most natural thing in the world for healthy individuals. But I'm not healthy, I'm not whole.
Yes...this is driving me crazy in therapy.

My T making me a cup of coffee and making the phone calls the other day has left me feeling invaded and afraid. Yes, on one hand it feels comforting and my inner wee girl is skipping with happiness and AWE that 'wow - she might actually CARE' but it is overshadowed by the intense fear of 'what next'. My main challenge in therapy IS the therapeutic relationship - trusting another human being and trying to allow them to 'care' or 'be kind' is the single most traumatic aspect for me in trauma therapy
I understand this dual feeling of overjoy at the comfort and terror of what's next. As soon as I allow myself to open just a little to being cared for, I am terrified of being hurt or abandoned.

I told her that I felt my life had folded over on itself, and that my present was superimposed on my past and there was only the thinnest 'veil' between the two, so that I was constantly moving back and forth between the two. My guess was and is that this is the OPTIMUM window of opportunity for healing - i.e. the time is now, and your therapist is either going to handle it properly or bungle it, like mine did. And a part of you knows this, and that creates a lot of fear.
Thank you for writing this. This is exactly where I am sometimes, when I'm not locking my young parts back up to try to be functional. All is exploding for me now anyway, so there's not much choice. I'm living the multiple realities.

it feels like I'm living a parallel existence sometimes - it's like it's both the present and the past, at the same time
All you say about the quick back and forths happens to me, especially when I am trying to be a functional adult and shoving the past back down...but it just bursts out in all sorts of disturbing and confusing ways.

@NovemberStar I am so glad you have a great therapist.
 
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