Study Study On Treating Ptsd With Mdma

[joeylittle]

Oh, absolutely no offense taken! I'd rather contribute good info than bad. :) Appreciate the insight, always. And yes, LSD has way more mythology to its story, and much rumor, and the facts get buried.

 

[shimmerz]

this is an unbiased and reliable description of LSD:

And this is what bothers me. There is so much unreliable information and fear mongering. Let's get on with identifying how MDMA (NOT ecstasy) can help those with PTSD and provide relief in a safe environment for those whose doctors feel it may be helpful for their patients!

I'm glad to read this - because it actually has been sounding to me like you are a strong advocate for forging ahead without supervision, and honestly and truly, that's not going to be safe for everyone.

I am glad this is cleared up. I am not sure where I alluded to my advocating irresponsiblity but that was not at all my intention. In fact I am advocating responsibility by all for all drugs, FDA approved or not.

Listen, my doctors would prescribe me meds and I would have to go home and research them to see what the side effects were because I was told when I asked the doctor about them 'no side effects will be worse than what you are going through right now'. I almost committed suicide on two of them!

And this is safe? I am not prone to self harm or suicide attempts. Just because the FDA says all is well (although one of the drugs it was clearly marked that thoughts of killing oneself was a side effect. So what? It makes the drug safer if you know you might kill yourself on it? The drug was Champix.

• Anger
• anxiety
• behavior changes
• depression
• discouragement
• feeling sad or empty
• feelings of panic
• hallucinations
• irregular heartbeats
• irritability
• loss of interest or pleasure
• mood swings
• nervousness
• restlessness
• thoughts of killing oneself

I didn't just think about it. If I hadn't had a friend around I would have tried to kill myself. I am personally in a desperate situation right now personally and I still don't have a desire to kill myself. How does the FDA approve Champix which has one potentially take ones own life and take 30+ years to ok a drug that does not lead to such destructive side effects.

Health Canada tight-lipped on Champix suicides
A Star investigation has found smoking-cessation drug Champix is among the leading suspected causes of reported suicides linked to prescription drugs — and Health Canada won’t say whether it has investigated cases like 22-year-old Heidi’s. Pfizer Canada, the drug’s manufacturer, says its benefits outweigh the risks.

It's benefits outweigh the risks???? Of course Pfizer says this people! They are making a boatload of money on it. I wonder if Pfizer sent a sympathy card to the dead folks family and friends.....

http://www.thestar.com/news/investi...h_canada_tightlipped_on_champix_suicides.html

All I am saying here is that we look at everything with a critical eye including those drugs that the FDA has approved. Just because the FDA has approved it, that doesn't make it safe. Ask yourself why a drug that is known to lead to loss of life 'because the benefits outweigh the risks' has been approved by the FDA.

@anthony you are saying that MDMA and LSD lead to loss of life (I am doubtful of that in a clinical setting), but why aren't you concerned or aware of these deaths? Is it because the FDA has approved it? I don't mean to be combative here, but this just is so frustrating to me. I will never forget the day this drug almost had me dead.

 

[anthony]

Ecstasy and LSD are deadly

I said the above...

[DLMURL="https://www.myptsd.com/c/members/1/"]@anthony[/DLMURL] you are saying that MDMA and LSD lead to loss of life (I am doubtful of that in a clinical setting), but why aren't you concerned or aware of these deaths?

I tend to agree with comments made above, in that you are not clearly outlining your context. Ectasy and LSD are street drugs. There is a vast difference between the pharmaceutical grade versions for use in a controlled environment. I referenced the street names in relation to deaths.

 

[shimmerz]

So can we drop the reference to Ecstasy then? We have already determined I think that we are speaking MDMA here and as well therapy with MDMA in a therapeutic setting.

 

[anthony]

I think when you use the term Ecstasy, you are clearly talking about the street drug, as that is what its called. MDMA is not the street drugs name, and like above, Ecstasy is not uncommon to even include any aspect of actual MDMA, and instead a cocktail of assorted ingredients other than MDMA.

I don't think it need be dropped, but a distinction made between them.

 

[shimmerz]

It is extremely important to distinguish the two yes. I think I have been using the term MDMA throughout this posting, which has me scratching my head about this comment.

Ectasy and LSD are street drugs. There is a vast difference between the pharmaceutical grade versions for use in a controlled environment. I referenced the street names in relation to deaths.

...because we are speaking about how MDMA can be helpful not Ecstasy. Am I confused? It is early in the morning after all....

 

[anthony]

Yes, MDMA is the pure version and in pharmaceutical grade, it is quantified into an acceptable dosage to achieve x result. MDMA is not really ecstasy at all, as above outlined reasons. And even then, MDMA in a controlled environment versus taking MDMA in pure form, self-administered, vastly different view on that also.

 

[shimmerz]

MDMA in a controlled environment versus taking MDMA in pure form, self-administered, vastly different view on that also.

Agreed. I am very disappointed and frustrated that I did not have a responsible route to take. That is what I am advocating for here. Provide people with a responsible way of accessing a therapeutic means that helps their situation without making them dead. 30 years is not an acceptable timeframe imho.

 

[Powder]

Agreed. I am very disappointed and frustrated that I did not have a responsible route to take. That i...

The US FDA just approved MDMA (Nov. 16) for clinical trials phase 3 for MDMA for PTSD talk therapy: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/us/ptsd-mdma-ecstasy.html

Phase 3 will require over 200 participants in the study.
Here is one advert for the study: https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/...0160220AdText-DoYouorYourSignificantOther.pdf

 

[shimmerz]

The US FDA just approved MDMA (Nov. 16) for clinical trials phase 3 for MDMA for PTSD talk therapy:

After three doses of MDMA administered under a psychiatrist’s guidance, the patients reported a 56 percent decrease of severity of symptoms on average, one study found. By the end of the study, two-thirds no longer met the criteria for having PTSD. Follow-up examinations found that improvements lasted more than a year after therapy.

Can you just imagine? What we have all gone through, therapy wise. Three doses.....

OMG the suffering that this could alleviate. May there be easier times for those that come after us.

But *heavy sigh*, they are still calling it Ecstasy, which it is not. Which could undermine all of it if people with PTSD go out looking for their own Ecstasy - which is NOT the MDMA that is involved in the research.

 

[Powder]

Correct, it's not the street drug. It's a therapeutic dose of MDMA with clinical protections in place for bad reactions, chills, dehydration, etc. Also, it's combined with 8 hours of intense psychotherapy with set targets.

Some critics are concerned about permanent brain damage from MDMA, including seizures. So it's nothing to mess around with even clinically. I think the person with PTSD needs to consider their options and if nothing else has worked for them, and they truly tried, then going with something more risky but shown to give some results might be worth considering.

Some people just get more anxiety, especially as the MDMA kicks in. So they had to address that. It just doesn't work for everyone, and they don't have a handle on who it won't work for yet.

I am glad some research is happening that looks promising. 2021 is a long way off, even if this works. But time marches on, eh?

 

[Powder]

MDMA-assisted and Cognitive-Behavioral Conjoint Therapy (CBCT) in Dyads With One Member With Chronic PTSD - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov

I emailed about participating in a study with my spouse (he'd have to take MDMA, too!). I haven't discussed it yet with him to ask if he'd be willing to find out about this.

We are in FL and this study is in SC, so a long drive! They do pay for some travel.