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Freedomfighter
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There are many people that fake that sort of thing. People that stalk me are faking that I am the guilty one and people guilty of prostitution are attempting to accuse others of such acts.
Psychopaths use this sort of tactic, no normal person would ever even think of using such tactics. I have people that watch my activity online and when I am talking to one of the people on this forum I have had one mentally disturbed person at my workplace act as if it was her that I gave advice to. I had given advice to an innocent victim and this vile woman at my workplace attempted to be seen in the same position. But I know better, that female worker is a vile female that is totally out of options.
Unfortunately there are many of those types out there.
@Missy,
yes, 28 overdoses in one night. That is similar to where I live, many in very short periods. We all know that all those pain pills are not good, and that many who seek them out have been using to get stoned, but the maker of oxy (which I have never taken) reported to FDA that they were better because they were not addictive because of time released, and the FDA should have known that they could be broken down. With addicts, where there is a will there is a way. Big pharm has made tons of money and then get a slap on the wrist. They are the ones that should be in prison, not the poor junkies.
I live in an area with many injuries due to type of work here. After injuries, so many really do have bad pain problems. DV is high also and I think that is a contributor. Also, here women often do mens type of work, I know that has contributed to my chronic pain problems. Men here are just plain lazy. Sorry I don't have a better way to say it, but when my sister stayed with me, she said our area have more lazy men than she has ever seen. You could have hands full and they would not open a door for you if it meant taking 2 extra steps. There really are a bunch of ass hats here. I have overdone every bone in my body. Those over the counter tear up the stomach so bad after years. There is no good solution, but I really hate to see what is in store for the generations to come. I have never been an addict but I am not one of those people who hate the addicts and don't care if they die. I care and don't see a solution.
yes, 28 overdoses in one night. That is similar to where I live, many in very short periods. We all know that all those pain pills are not good, and that many who seek them out have been using to get stoned, but the maker of oxy (which I have never taken) reported to FDA that they were better because they were not addictive because of time released, and the FDA should have known that they could be broken down. With addicts, where there is a will there is a way. Big pharm has made tons of money and then get a slap on the wrist. They are the ones that should be in prison, not the poor junkies.
I live in an area with many injuries due to type of work here. After injuries, so many really do have bad pain problems. DV is high also and I think that is a contributor. Also, here women often do mens type of work, I know that has contributed to my chronic pain problems. Men here are just plain lazy. Sorry I don't have a better way to say it, but when my sister stayed with me, she said our area have more lazy men than she has ever seen. You could have hands full and they would not open a door for you if it meant taking 2 extra steps. There really are a bunch of ass hats here. I have overdone every bone in my body. Those over the counter tear up the stomach so bad after years. There is no good solution, but I really hate to see what is in store for the generations to come. I have never been an addict but I am not one of those people who hate the addicts and don't care if they die. I care and don't see a solution.
lostforgottensoul
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Thats not true, not when it was made and its not even, today, claimed to "not be addicting".
Oxycodone isnt time release, oxycotin is and back when I first moved back here in '09 and perscribed it, the time release was removeable by getting it wet a bit, drying it off, and crushing it. The FDA knew that. Everyone thats ever gotten high off time release drugs or knows someone that has knew that.
What was being told to patients is that its for cancer patients only. Then pill mills started in Florida and it has since moved to other States. I moved back and got a crap pain Dr that just wanted to drug up and didnt care to help.
After the pill mills were shut down, they put polimer (plastic like sustance) in it, that when wet, ruins it. It is all in the pill and though there are sites that swear they can microwave it, freeze it, etc to break it down, beyond a chemical lab, there isnt a way.
When cut, its like you are cutting a plastic pill.
But it is still addictive and strong and oxycodone, the non-time release is still out there.
Perocet has oxycodone in it. Before that it was perodane I believe. Oxycodone has been around forever.
@Freedomfighter-it is possible to fake about anything, at least for awhile. I do think that even half way normal people just don't do that though. There are many types of people who seem to be faking
1. Those who are suggestible and really believe they have illnesses that they do not have such as hypochondriac. Those who really believe they do.
2. People who have something wrong that has been undiagnosed, sometimes due to medical negligence or them not following through. Some would have mental diagnosis but have not seen professional to be diagnosed either.
3.Those with a mental disorder that somehow benefit form actually faking the physical or mental disorder. (not all are sociopaths) They may have monetary gains, attention, one up, get out of work, etc. The sociopath falls in this but is often driven by power. Co morbid with addictions included. If a person does have a disorder, such as depression, then add an addiction such as alcohol, the severity increases and they may actually become convinced of things such as ptsd
4.There are those that have been bullied and act like psycho's to scare others away. (have seen and can see why it works too) They may also have physical or mental disorder too.
All have something really wrong here. In legal terms, an out right liar (such as sociopath) is not insane or immune from prosecution. However, I can not imagine wishing to be such a person. It would be horrible to be wired without a conscience.
Those are the areas that I can think of right now as I am tired so not necessarily all inclusive.
I can see how the OP fears that some would fake ptsd specifically, and compared fibromyalgia as a physical parallel to fake.
Many mental disorders that one would fake would require much more active acting out rather than just reporting symptoms. Faking bi-polar for example, would require active manic states and depressive states. Many other disorders would also require medication that one would not want to take in order to fake.
PTSD can be seen as something that wax's and wanes sort of-at least by other people. Some things may be evident, such as startle response or panic attack, but they can also be absent to those around the patient.
I have seen several therapists in my life time. In 2009, one therapist diagnosed me with ptsd (after a head injury, and then an in home assault). This therapist also says that although symptoms escalated/emerged after assault, it originated in childhood. Other 4 therapists did not diagnose. One I had extensive therapy with and he did say one time that I had a period of ptsd symptoms but did not diagnose. Now my records say ptsd. Now my medical dr has ptsd as diagnosis rather than depression and anxiety. There are times that I have some doubt. I am definitely ACOA, and that can cause ptsd, can co exist, but I think it can also mimic.
1. Those who are suggestible and really believe they have illnesses that they do not have such as hypochondriac. Those who really believe they do.
2. People who have something wrong that has been undiagnosed, sometimes due to medical negligence or them not following through. Some would have mental diagnosis but have not seen professional to be diagnosed either.
3.Those with a mental disorder that somehow benefit form actually faking the physical or mental disorder. (not all are sociopaths) They may have monetary gains, attention, one up, get out of work, etc. The sociopath falls in this but is often driven by power. Co morbid with addictions included. If a person does have a disorder, such as depression, then add an addiction such as alcohol, the severity increases and they may actually become convinced of things such as ptsd
4.There are those that have been bullied and act like psycho's to scare others away. (have seen and can see why it works too) They may also have physical or mental disorder too.
All have something really wrong here. In legal terms, an out right liar (such as sociopath) is not insane or immune from prosecution. However, I can not imagine wishing to be such a person. It would be horrible to be wired without a conscience.
Those are the areas that I can think of right now as I am tired so not necessarily all inclusive.
I can see how the OP fears that some would fake ptsd specifically, and compared fibromyalgia as a physical parallel to fake.
Many mental disorders that one would fake would require much more active acting out rather than just reporting symptoms. Faking bi-polar for example, would require active manic states and depressive states. Many other disorders would also require medication that one would not want to take in order to fake.
PTSD can be seen as something that wax's and wanes sort of-at least by other people. Some things may be evident, such as startle response or panic attack, but they can also be absent to those around the patient.
I have seen several therapists in my life time. In 2009, one therapist diagnosed me with ptsd (after a head injury, and then an in home assault). This therapist also says that although symptoms escalated/emerged after assault, it originated in childhood. Other 4 therapists did not diagnose. One I had extensive therapy with and he did say one time that I had a period of ptsd symptoms but did not diagnose. Now my records say ptsd. Now my medical dr has ptsd as diagnosis rather than depression and anxiety. There are times that I have some doubt. I am definitely ACOA, and that can cause ptsd, can co exist, but I think it can also mimic.
I said oxy, as I am not sure which one it was. Never used either and am unfamiliar.
I specifically remember reading headlines a couple years ago with the company CEO's who admitted that they knew the meds were addictive and they lied and were fined millions, but it was a small fraction compared to what they made of the drug.
I don't know how it can/could be broke down but they did and lied, stating it was better than others for this reason.
@lostforgottensoul May 2007 New York Times, Sorry, longer than couple yrs, but I read lengthy article couple yrs ago (could have been old or another one)
Makers Perdue Pharmaceuticals pay 600 million dollar in fines. Marketed in 1996, claiming to be less addictive and lied about that, soon it made over 1 billion annually. By 2000, teen and others were abusing, crushing, snorting, and even chewing, crime rates up, etc.
This was prescribed by GPs and not for cancer treatment.
This has had a devastating effect on US. I am not saying there was not pill addiction before this, but it skyrocketed.
I know there are many people who we would not think would be heroine users that have started with some sort of pills.
I have only taken percocet after surgery, but have taken Vicodin years ago and was told it was addictive and to beware and have never abused. It is also hard on liver due to acetomenophin. I am not familiar with the effects of this drug personally, but I do have friends who took percocet after surgery and LOVED the way they felt and understand how others get addicted. One friend is 60 yrs old.
Makers Perdue Pharmaceuticals pay 600 million dollar in fines. Marketed in 1996, claiming to be less addictive and lied about that, soon it made over 1 billion annually. By 2000, teen and others were abusing, crushing, snorting, and even chewing, crime rates up, etc.
This was prescribed by GPs and not for cancer treatment.
This has had a devastating effect on US. I am not saying there was not pill addiction before this, but it skyrocketed.
I know there are many people who we would not think would be heroine users that have started with some sort of pills.
I have only taken percocet after surgery, but have taken Vicodin years ago and was told it was addictive and to beware and have never abused. It is also hard on liver due to acetomenophin. I am not familiar with the effects of this drug personally, but I do have friends who took percocet after surgery and LOVED the way they felt and understand how others get addicted. One friend is 60 yrs old.
lostforgottensoul
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That I stand corrected on but they still didnt say:
but said:
OxyContin Addiction False Advertising
Im not trying to split hairs (or even argue), my point is, its still an opioid, herion is an opioid, an opioid is an opioid and the FDA knows that.
Anyway, the remainder of your post I agree with. TONS of people that are now herion addicts started on pain pills first.
GPs cant prescribe pain pills in Florida. Kansas they do but my Drs didnt seem to want to prescribe much nor believe I was in as much pain I was, thus ultimately why I had to move back.
They are the only two States I have experience with pain pills in.
In Florida, patients were told by the prescribing Dr that they were for cancer patients only. Saw many Drs here and all said the same thing to me when im saying "i dont care what you give me as long as it works".
It drove me and my step mom both to buy off the street. She is addicted, im not. Im physically dependant but have never gotten high on them, lucky for me, I hate opioids.
But thats what I was talking about earlier. That the people that get high and sells them ruins it for me whom cant walk without pain relief.
So see, we agree. I just dont buy that the FDA didnt know this would happen. And "big pharm".
Today I have an internal pain pump, also known as a morphine pump, in my side, dripping morphine and two other meds directly into my spine. Thinking back on when I wasnt believed. So the dagger cuts both ways, the addicts that shouldnt of been and then us that are in pain but arent believed.
Ruins it for all. And I dont blame "big pharm", I blame the Food And Drug Adminstartion as its not rocket science that an opioid is an opioid is an opioid!
EveHarrington
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The OP left. I hope she comes back.
I think what they actually claimed is that they had less potential for abuse than the other pain pills since they were time released. They did know how addicts would abuse them but failed to report. The FDA does not independently do own studies and rely on pharmaceuticals reports. The FDA probably did know or should have known. Perdue eventually admitted they did know. Hind sight is no brainer I guess. My only point is that those in charge have not been honest and have become billionaires at cost to addicts. It is a real shame and they are not really held accountable. I think we agree and are on same page. (I just don't know the different forms and how exactly abused)
Many states a GP can prescribe (Pa, Ohio, WV) It does ruin it for those in real need.
Somehow the demand for pain pills skyrocketed over the years, and I do think that has led to so many using heroine.
This is not an opposing opinion, but why do you blame the FDA? I think the FDA should be more on top of things for sure. I blame big pharm because they are so greedy. They are notorious for pushing whatever drug with whatever means. They use to give residents and drs. ski trips, sailing trips, all kinds of perks. The government put end to that long ago but they still kiss butt with bringing lunches and perks. (Im sure some illegal still goes on) Sales reps make big bucks and get big perks too. They have the money to pay lobbyists so I am a bit surprised at the crack downs. Drs have become afraid to prescribe because they are all being monitored now.
Sorry you have had to go to pain pump. The abuse does hurt everyone-it does go both ways. I have known a couple people with them and they do fail at times and have to be replaced. I know it is a hard path waiting on approval and having to work in the meantime.
Now we have all these addicts and not enough treatment centers, unless you count seboxin clinics popping up everywhere lately. I posted this elsewhere but it is close to my heart as my sister was not believed last year and suffered for many months due no lack of accurate diagnosis. A trip to ER (after months of drs and tests) revealed pancreatic cancer that is very painful and metastasized to liver and both lungs. Then she could have all she wanted in Hospice care and died in 5 weeks. If I would have known this, I would have bought them off street too. I just thought that maybe she had a really low tolerance to pain. (they said she had GERD and arthritis basically and she lives 500 miles away)
I just don't want to see anymore friends kids die, or my own grandchildren, or anyones sister, brother, etc.
Many states a GP can prescribe (Pa, Ohio, WV) It does ruin it for those in real need.
Somehow the demand for pain pills skyrocketed over the years, and I do think that has led to so many using heroine.
This is not an opposing opinion, but why do you blame the FDA? I think the FDA should be more on top of things for sure. I blame big pharm because they are so greedy. They are notorious for pushing whatever drug with whatever means. They use to give residents and drs. ski trips, sailing trips, all kinds of perks. The government put end to that long ago but they still kiss butt with bringing lunches and perks. (Im sure some illegal still goes on) Sales reps make big bucks and get big perks too. They have the money to pay lobbyists so I am a bit surprised at the crack downs. Drs have become afraid to prescribe because they are all being monitored now.
Sorry you have had to go to pain pump. The abuse does hurt everyone-it does go both ways. I have known a couple people with them and they do fail at times and have to be replaced. I know it is a hard path waiting on approval and having to work in the meantime.
Now we have all these addicts and not enough treatment centers, unless you count seboxin clinics popping up everywhere lately. I posted this elsewhere but it is close to my heart as my sister was not believed last year and suffered for many months due no lack of accurate diagnosis. A trip to ER (after months of drs and tests) revealed pancreatic cancer that is very painful and metastasized to liver and both lungs. Then she could have all she wanted in Hospice care and died in 5 weeks. If I would have known this, I would have bought them off street too. I just thought that maybe she had a really low tolerance to pain. (they said she had GERD and arthritis basically and she lives 500 miles away)
I just don't want to see anymore friends kids die, or my own grandchildren, or anyones sister, brother, etc.
lostforgottensoul
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Thats why. Big pharm or not, it all passes through the FDA. They know an opioid is an opioid and even today as basically a plastic pill, it is addicting. There is not less likely about it and anyone thats had contact with an opioid (sadly I really didnt before my accident), knows that.
They are the end man, the one that makes the ultimate decision to put it on the street or not. Money making ot not, they pass it. It is ultimately in their court.
Not just the Drs here. Florida now has a centeralized pharmacy system. You get it from one, they all know. Even the mom and pop ones.
Pill mills were VERY bad here. Drs selling them out of their office. It was horrible.
Snorting, shooting, smoking, smoking it off tin foil (some call that chasing, some railing, some call it "chasing the dragon". Depends on the area it seems. Some just call smoking it.), about what you can with any other powder.
I hear ya, me neither!
Gs172003
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The pill Mills here all closed. Then the heroin showed up.
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