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Take Me To Your Leader?

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Hello,

As an abbreviated 'all-purpose' handout of sorts to family and friends, I've found the materials accessed via the link about as succinct and on-target as anything yet discovered.

[DLMURL]http://outofthefog.net/Disorders/CPTSD.html[/DLMURL]

I regret to relate that even for the trouble involved and exposure risked for so-sharing with one of my siblings, she simply translated what I'd given her as some demand that 'more patience' be afforded me. Not what I desired really, rather I hoped for some enhanced understanding.

Emailing the same to her prompted to read it, but then she exclaimed and explained that I should afford her a hard copy to refer to in moments of need. For a moment I mistook this for progress, but now I just register her inability to save a file or print it off herself as indicative of basic laziness and core disrespect. I'm to work on myself with such fearless vigor, and meanwhile my sibling can't save and tag a file? In a sense I feel I should be charitable and loving, and provide everyone a glossy brochure so they'll not need to lift a finger, but in truth I'm so disgusted with my family for amplifying my feelings of isolation for treating me as though I were part of a cult. Filled with regret then - sigh.


M.
 
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Hi M
I think you are being a bit harsh on your sister.

Why do you think that she should be more experienced in understanding?, even a good therapist has a hard time.

You might be feeling that your needs are being neglected but assuming that she is just being lazy is a bit judgemental on your part. Maybe she just suggested that a hard copy would be better.

you seem very disappointed with everyone that comes into contact with you, going by past posts, are you asking and expecting too much off others? If it does not go your way or by your standards you feel they are letting you down. Maybe your standards and expectations of others are just too high, no one will ever reach them?

sorry if I have read this out of context but I can only go by what I read from you. And this is not supposed to be a personal attack either, I just say things as I see them and can be a bit brash sometimes. I try not to sugar coat things. :)

take care and give people a break.

best wishes
Saffy :)
 
Greetings,

Understood (I think!) - but maybe I'm confused to the extent that everyone in my family was part of the dynamic, and that everyone was impacted by what went on. There just doesn't seem to be any curiousity at all about how were lessons learned, lessons were implanted there. Yes - my expectations are high, whereas just to be tagged and shelved as the dysfunctional one or the near catatonic one by family just so disinclined to study themselves - let alone aspects of much that touched me just amplifies my feelings (always amplified and raw as you've noted) of hurt. Though I'm speaking just of my family now, why share if there is no life behind those eyes? No, I have no solutions, whereas I suppose too that working as a librarian again amplified my felt regret for I alway had to give, give, give to others why my needs seemingly never were. Horrible to relate that - I know, but I'm so isolated, so tired of taking lumps for being different (not here - please know), but just so exhausted for always grading on a curve in relation to what connection is afforded. Call it compassion fatigue for I'm so rarely fed by anything - I know, such sounds horribly narcissistic. Sorry to be in such a twist.


M.
 
Hello,

Maybe too I should relate that my eldest sister almost certainly has PTSD issues of her own, whereas aspects of her experiences and impaired ability to contain or understand such has driven what appears a permanent wedge between her and my other sister. Hard to capture in a few words, but if some intervention, some curiousity isn't stoked family-wide in relation to what needs to be faced, then what is left of our family unit will scatter to the four winds. If it helps, know I've tried many a time not simply to demand understanding for myself, but stoke if I might wider curiousity to include siblings who are demonstrably suffering.

I guess this last time I wanted to celebrate a minor breakthrough with my eldest sister in terms of understanding, but I'm also at my limit for both her and my other sister routinely equate PTSD as psychological gloss applied to the deeper truth of 'core poor character'. As they would (and have) demonstrably put it, "...we survived, what's so different about YOU?". Meanwhile they churn through marriages, alienate their kids, and are ignored by children who opt to live with their birth fathers as quickly as they are legally able to communicate their desires. It's all pretty ghastly.

For for the first time on record there were no gatherings between us three across the holidays, and yet this is the only family I have. In a sense I wish I could vanish into an abandoned nuclear missle silo and create for myself a 'home', but I so want my family together, I so want them to concieve of the long-term with regards to being present for each other, and yet can't repair the rift between my sisters if there isn't remote curiousity present as to why we interrelate as we do based upon a certain hand me down template. I hope some of this makes sense!


M.
 
I alway had to give, give, give to others why my needs seemingly never were

Hi M

Maybe you are projecting your own needs, if you treat others with care and give give give you will and should receive this need back. If that makes sense, so when you do not get it they will seem self absorbed and selfish because you have done all the giving. Aks yourself why you are really doing this, altruistic motives or something else?

We all have needs to be fullfilled and sometimes we look for them in other people. Most people do not even realise the needs we are reaching for and so take what is offered. :)

Do You have deep emotional empathy and feelings and probably see others who cannot or do not feel on the same level as cold and unloving? I think it is quite a normal reaction for people with Ptsd.

Call it compassion fatigue for I'm so rarely fed by anything - I know, such sounds horribly narcissistic. Sorry to be in such a twist.

Not at all, turn some of that compassion on yourself and try not too look to others for this. I am permanently twisted in thoughts and feelings about my connections with others, you are not alone in this. :)

Sounds like your sister has her own issues to deal with too and will be thinking irrationally sometimes too, this can be construed or assumed that she does not care or want to care, but issues aside I bet she does really. It is hard for sufferers to completely understand and be in the position to help another emotionally. and visa versa ;)

Trying to change the future based on past templates, that have proved not to work, will only keep you stranded and halted in going forward. But how you can move forward is another matter, not really knowing the dynamics of the family. Maybe you are just trying to hard rather than just allowing it to flow in a positive way with no conditions or judgements?

Have any of you done family therapy in regards to being able to support each other better?

I think it is important not to try and 'fix' anyone but to just be there when needed. Food for thought?

best wishes
Saffy :)
 
Greetings,

I don't know - I just can't exist in the space between my sisters any longer. It seems the conditions of relating closely to one or the other require I effectively slag upon one or the other - and I can't do that. I just can't imagine they'd ever be up for some conception of family therapy even as I believe such is merited, whereas I just can't fathom forever being the tug of war rag doll I've been. Further backstory has our father dying of alcoholism at age 39, my mother largely debilitated and depressed, while both sisters imperfectly attempted to win my favor as parental surrogates. My father wouldn't so much as register my right to exist, whereas my mother role-reversed and confided much I shouldn't have known. In truth, I don't know what a functioning family is even as I long for doubtlessly idealized 'it'. Surely I am projecting my own needs, for on a social and emotional level they've probably never been met. I have a photo image of the Harlow Monkey experiment on my wall which visibly underlines the core problem of attachment needs unmet. No - I don't know what to do about such.

Indeed, I visited my therapist and shared your reasoned feedback, exclaiming that I know such is true irrespective of my cluelessness as to what to do about it. She reached for a 'stuck points' flyer, amending it to reflect that I've not so much suffered an isolated or time bracketed trauma, but rather a continuous state of trauma reflecting this and that aspect of neglect from my earliest days. My bargain, my reasoning was poor with regards to ever imagining that some formulaic definition of giving or caring would ever outfit me with an ability to genuinely give or care. As to silently being on call to others and never having my own needs acknowledged, I imagine I'm stuck for I don't know how to telegraph needs, whereas I'm filled with the most severe bitterness for so many circumstances when my capacity to give aid to others was overwhelmed and overwhelming.

There is further hidden backstory here to the extent that I was last to remain at home, whereas the timing of such placed me in the role of being a caregiver to my mother who was hobbled by diabetes and largely deaf. Emotional needs weren't met when everything I'd say would have to be shouted twice and three times over. I tried to be all I could for her - but whew!

Continuing, I don't think my choice of profession later on helped too much, for not really having a social identity and yet being on a library reference desk within really tough socioeconomic circumstances just left nothing for me. Memories of finding my mother wedged between the toilet and the wall, fearing that she'd stop breathing on 'my watch', insecurities manifest a thousand ways reflected back at all times. I really don't want to be placed (or place myself ever again) in circumstances where I invisibly give of myself without some balance being afforded with regards to having my own needs recognized and met. Much of this relates to improving and expanding upon personal definition of boundaries.

Returning to my family, I think in a collective sense we are perhaps too different as people to relate closely to each other, whereas existing problems are compounded for the poor lessons drawn from how our parents behaved towards us and what macabre way they clashed (fading memories now). I just feel so hurt, longing for some approximation of a functioning family that registers denial on the worst days, and across sibling relations (not just those that involve myself) fails even on the nonjudgmental presence level.

In a sense society calls for us to create nuclear family to facilitate an evolution, a possible redefinition of self apart from family for 'this is my family' - or some hope. This has been difficult for me, whereas what caring exists within my older sister in particular is indeed so intertwined with her own experiences of trauma that it is almost too dangerous, too upsetting, and too reliably disorienting for myself to try any longer. Yes - I've wanted too much. I think I always did. Ours is not the stuff of filmed Hollywood treatments where broad healing seems possible. Holiday visits, birthday telephone calls, but not much more should be expected or attempted. I think I really need more, but I can't have it. Contact is always scant with my family, with appalling 'action reports' sometimes afforded as to why this or that sister is 'so terrible'. I try to stand my untenable middle ground, remain largely benign, and wonder what it must be like to have a family...

Sorry - just so fatigued and uncommonly bitter I do suppose. For years I've been hoping for a little progress from them, but all I've got is myself. If my older sister on medical disability, someone who stares at the computer for this and that each day cannot evidence the sufficient wherewithal to print a page or save a file, especially given all the brave efforts I've witnessed by the technologically inept in grave circumstances during my days as a librarian, I confess that I just can't try anymore.

I feel so uncompromising for relating such, but my storehouse of patience and caring is completely empty - and has been for what seems decades. It demonstrable is so little to ask of me, and yet I cannot capture in so many words how completely spent I feel serving the needs of many who cannot be helped. An awful, awful admission, the cruel and uncompromising issuance of terms that I know can't be met. I want a future, but such seems possible only via never successfully integrating the past. Usually my day to day function hinges upon imperfectly distancing myself from much via never speaking of it (not here - just in general). I so desire to overwrite poor memories with those far better by way of contrast! Thanks for your attention and patience for here was another self-indulgent and long message. So sorry...


M.
 
Hi M

It is always better to get things out no matter how long it might take or write. You are not self indulgent you are writing down your thoughts, which you have many, some confusing, some disappointed and some bitter. But they are your thoughts and feelings and you have every right to express them and acknowledge them.

Being a caring person who want to help can sometimes fall especially if the person does not want it. But also reiterating your disappointment that when you need someone they are never there is also allowed. You are not demanding or expecting it but as a person are entitled to someone caring for you without conditions that you do something for them first to get that. Not all people realise you need help if they see you as a strong, silent and helpful type. ;)

If they need your help in the future let them ask for it and visa versa, dropping hints will not work, especially if others you expect help from are very self absorbed in getting themselves help.

I found by looking at peoples behaviour and attitudes in relation to them as a person and not in relation to me helped distant them enough so I could see past the hurt they were causing me. I then understood them better and chose not to take what they did personally, because most of the time they did it because of who they were not because of who I was, hope that makes sense :)

I hope you can find inner peace :)

best wishes
Saffy :)
 
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