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Relationship The Ever-frustrating Push

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JT80

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New member here and, firstly, I would like to thank every single one of you. I've been "dating" a PTSD sufferer for the past 6 months. I've never been so close to someone that suffers from it before, so it's been full of the ups and downs that all of you know so well. I've spent hours scouring thread after thread and you all have helped me find the answers I've so desperately been searching for as a supporter. So thank you :)

So, like I said, I've been "dating" a sufferer for the past 6 months. It is a long distance relationship as so far that I'm quite happy with. Avoiding a long, drawn out story, she started first contact, let the conversation between us go to the usual next levels they do. I organised to meet in person rather early. We spent the first day together and everything was going perfectly. She had told me before I met her about her PTSD and explained that she has certain episodes, so I was going at her pace and following her lead. The same night I met her, she took me to bed.

I spent the next 2 weeks with her and during this time, I experienced 2 push episodes followed by a heartfelt apology a few hours later. During the push, I got the blame for every little thing that stressed her throughout the day. During the apologies, she would say things to me she doesn't blame me if I never spoke to her again. But I told her it was the fact that she had explained the issue to me beforehand and is fully aware of it being an issue that I choose to stay.

So things went on for 2 weeks. We'd sneak kisses. She'd reach out for me and tell me how much she enjoys my touch. I still was taking things at her pace and she was drawing me in closer with each day. She enjoyed my company just as much as I was enjoying hers. She didn't want me to leave, but the day came where I had to.

The first week after I left was my first real eye-opener. This is where I first heard the line, "I can't do this. You deserve better and it's not fair that I can't give as much as you put into this. I will end up hurting you, so goodbye." in a text message. Of course, I reacted quite badly and went on a downward spiral of my own. I couldn't understand why she'd initiate a relationship with me after telling me she doesn't let anyone get close to her (sexual or otherwise) and then this comes out of the blue. Again, a few hours later, the apology followed.

As the weeks and months have gone by, we've had our fair share of ups and downs. She doesn't want to be in a relationship, now she does. She tells me I don't deserve her, then she comes back to me even sweeter than before. I learned quite early that I wasn't helping by reacting to her push with anger, but to not take it personally, stay calm and give her space.

The thing is that it's usually only after I've tried suggesting that we meet again that she shuts down and pushes me away. I've only spent 2 weeks physically with her in the entire 6 months we've been together. I've tried absolutely every way of putting her stress and PTSD into consideration and work around it with her, but there's always a reason why I shouldn't do it and then it's back to "I don't want a relationship, I need to be alone".

A week ago she told me she can't help look at other couples in various situations and wish it was her and I doing it. She has also told me she can see her and I settling down together in our own place and she would like that. However in the past 2 weeks, she has pushed me away and returned to me a few hours later 3 times. The longest she has gone with zero contact is 2 days and then she returns telling me she's such an idiot and she's sorry.

The main issue for me is not the push/pull. It's not constantly being blamed during the push times for everything including things neither of us can control. It's not her pulling me back in a few hours or days later. It's not her constantly being up and down. All of that I can handle and am doing ok with it now I've worked out how to deal with it myself. I back off, give her the space she needs and she comes back to me. No stress. My main issue is in what the best and most assuring thing is to say to her when she is pushing me away. I've repeated myself so many times that when she pushes me, she adapts the argument according to what she's waiting for me to say now.


Also, approaching the subject about our next meeting. It's hard when you're being told you're being missed and wanted, so you try to get something organised and get pushed away again.

Today I told her about how I've been reading and relating to so many of the threads in here which has caused her to push away again. She said she doesn't want anyone to have to try to understand her, that I'd never understand because I've never experienced it, that feeling like she's putting me out is stressing her out, that she doesn't deserve me and she feels she's holding me back and the usual "I just need to be alone. I don't want a relationship".

So, anyway, it's just good to know we're not alone and all we've been through and going through are suffered by many sufferers and supporters alike. Sorry for this ending up so long after all.
 
I have done this quite a bit. I don't think there is a best thing to say or do when she pushes you away. I would just accept it and not try to argue. I know that many times when I have done this, I have actually been testing the guy to see how he'd react. I'd push away out of fear of getting hurt and want him to get upset to reassure myself that he cares. It's kind of a sick game sometimes. I'm not sure if that is the case in your situation, but maybe.
 
I don't think any of us really knows what the "right" answer is. We know what NOT to do... take it personally, feed into it, blow up, etc. It is really hard to react to the push-pull in any kind of a positive way. I used to get really upset and panicky, but I eventually learned to stay calm. Well, stay calm on the outside, and calm-er on the inside. As much as I know logically what it going on, that shit still hurts. That is a "me issue" I guess... if I cannot handle it, then it is my job to remove myself from the relationship.

All you can do is stay calm and tell them that you love them. Then let them do what they need to do.
 
Thank you both :)

Early on when I still didn't understand the push/pull I really felt used. I couldn't understand why she reached out to me, initiated affection and sex while telling me, "I'm surprised I've let you in to my little bubble because I don't let people in", but the moment I was physically out of the situation the tables turned. After one of the early push/pulls, I told her that's how I felt and that it was basically like she dragged me in for a "feel good" and she's only keeping me around for that purpose. Yet I couldn't understand because one night stands and booty calls are completely unacceptable to her. Well, she was horrified I felt that way and said that she would never do that.

Time has gone on and every time she pushes me away, I've felt the same way, but also know it's not how it really is. A few weeks ago, we went through a big push and I said to her, "I just wish that you miss me like I miss you. And I wish that you would reach out for me like I reach out for you" and she said that she does miss me and she does want me there, but she doesn't want me there at the same time and that's what makes her feel guilty and want to push me away because I don't deserve it.

I was trying to explain it to a friend last night who doesn't understand and sees it all as a big mind game. I've always been better creating visuals than using words. I said to her that it's like she has drawn a circle around herself and her every day routines are within that circle. 6 months ago, she looked at what was going on outside her circle and saw me and happiness and what she ultimately wishes to attain in her life. So she crept to the edge, reached out and took my hands, but also went into a panic once she realised she was partially across the border of her safe little circle. So now - 6 months later - her and I are stuck in this tug-o-war match where she's trying to pull back to her safe circle and we're both teetering on the border, but she knows I can't join her in there. Basically, her mouth/push and her hands/pull are doing two separate things and all I can do is respect both actions. My friend seems to have a clearer understanding of it now.

It does get really hard. She still hasn't contacted me since yesterday's push and I see the "Active Now" come up next to her name. But at the end of the day I know that it's so much more harder for her. She also suffers from OCD and is a hardcore germophobe, so there are more issues to deal with.
 
Also, just to quickly add, I think backing off about suggesting meeting up again is the best thing to do. I've tried suggesting every work-around option besides randomly turning up unannounced. She can't handle feeling like she needs to "entertain" someone until later in the evenings when she's settled down, so I've suggested everything from me booking into hotels to spend my time in during the days and coming to her during the afternoons and nights and everything. She's not ready to come to me yet because it involves traveling and it was a travel accident that caused her PTSD. It's finding that happy medium that is hard when she wants me there, but knows it's going to stress her out so we end up in another push where she's telling me I don't deserve being with someone so hot and cold.
 
The circle analogy is good. Possibly because (for me, anyway) it feels like being trapped in a different world or universe (parallel to the one everyone is living in), & also the sad truth is sometimes not one you want to leave, at some times.

I do think if a MVA caused her ptsd & she has to travel, she won't be. That factor is separate from the relationship difficulties specifically however. (Someone wrote a thread here once along the lines of "Returned to the scene of the accident now want to throw myself under a bus".) One can't always just throw themself in to critically high-stress Exposure Therapy .

Welcome to you. I hope it works out.
 
Thank you, Junebug :)

The circle analogy was the only thing I could use to describe how I see the whole situation as a supporter to someone who doesn't understand. I'm glad it does make sense and I wasn't seeing it too wrong. People really don't get why you choose to stick by your sufferer and see it as you being used as an emotional punching bag (mostly from close friends and family members) every time you get the push. I was getting more confused myself just trying to explain my reasons on top of dealing with the push.

I have taken the fact that she would most likely not travel into consideration and figured it would be too much on her. One of her reasons why she said I shouldn't travel to her is because I ride a motorcycle and she couldn't handle the guilt if something happened to me while I was traveling to see her. But we both know there has to be some travel in order to meet. She still drives around (which I think is amazing after what she went through), but she lives in a small town area with only one main highway - which is "that" highway - leading out. So she doesn't venture far and will always avoid the highway unless it can't be avoided.

Today, however, I was hit again by her with some extremely low blows. After 24 hours of her initial push, she disappeared completely from my social media without a word. I've been through all of this with her before, so I sent her a friendly, short text telling her I understood and let her know I'm here and she went instantly into a pummeling of nasty, cruel and cold-hearted personal attacks. She has told me many times before that she tries to make people hate her when she's pushing so it's easier to justify their non-return.

Even though I was getting hit with it all and in shock she'd stoop so low, I did not fire back at her in anger and attack back. I did, however, tell her that she's not coping and needs help. I copped a bit more, then she says, "I do like you and I like talking to you" and that's where I shut down and stopped talking. I can't go through a pull from her right now because I need to heal after the disgusting things she was saying.

So at this stage of things, I don't know what will happen. We've stopped talking completely now. She knows I'm here to support her if she needs me, but I'm going to need at least a good week or two to process it all before (and IF) she decides to pull me back in. This is the first time in 6 months she has directly personally attacked me and been downright nasty. I'm going to need time before I can bounce back from this one as I'm pretty mentally exhausted myself.
 
@Mac80 I'm so sorry your hurting and exhausted. I understand completely as a supporter/former supporter. Heck I dunno what I am anymore. Hopefully things get better.
 
Thanks Thunderstorm. I am sorry for what you're going through also (I have read your thread) and I hope things work out for the best with you also.

The way that I see it is that there is an extremely fine line between PTSD and just being an a$$ for the sake of being an a$$... She was being an a$$.

Like you, I don't know my future or whether she will be in it. But as much as it hurts now, we'll be so much better for it once we've processed everything and get a better understanding.
 
Thank you also, Junebug. Sorry, I can't tag anyone because I'm using my phone :P

You are right. That's what shocked me about the whole thing. She went on the cruelty spree and then said, "See, I'm too much of a b1tch." If she does decide to pull me back in (which she kind of already started at the end of her tirade), I just don't know what I'm going to do this early after. I do know that at the moment I'd take her back and remain on guard if she popped up on my screen today. That's why I need her to give me more time. I need to de-frag my brain before starting anything back up again or even considering it.

She was diagnosed about a year ago. She's unmedicated because she's terrified of pills. She's not seeing a therapist other than that she is required to for insurance purposes because she doesn't want to talk about the accident and doesn't see how talking about it will help. She needs to pro-actively start doing something to get herself better. If she won't help herself, I sure as hell can't continue this dance with her.
 
I am so sorry. I did go through a period of intense rage, but for decades have not been inclined. For the most part even getting angry (at another) seems unjustified. The shame & regret of it will stay with me til I die, the person's dead who most of all would have deserved the amends/ apology.

Only you know her nature. There are many possible reasons for it, not withstanding guilt, pushing away, illness, disorders, poor behaviour, not fighting fair, trauma re-enactment.

But forgiveness is huge. It is liberating, if she really is sorry.

Crossing my fingers for you. You care enough to be here, so that's huge.

(Btw though, I've had +30 years of this. I never continued dating or married the 'good ones' either- ended it well before that- as I felt that would have been awful for them, & they must have been clueless to have not been able to see how bad it would be. Not 'clueless' as in stupid but in denial or something (them) .)

She has to be the one to manage & deal with it. I think it often gets to the point of going crazy/ losing everything or death being the only options left, without help or addressing it.
 
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