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After this attack? It's a fierce debate. So many are pointing fingers at so many people other than the perpetrator. So many are trying to blame someone.

I fully agree with that. This has absoultly nothing to do with gun control or no gun control, UK vs US, this has to do with a bad guy that killed a lot of people and an entire community that is in shock and mourning but is also pulling together in such a bright and amazing way.

:hug: @Justmehere
 
I dont like guns personally, never have but I dont know what I feel about complete gun contro...
Aren't most mass shootings in gun free zones? I think there should be better gun control but I feel if this had not been a gun free zone, the number of casualties would not have been so high. I'm new here and don't want to start out on the wrong foot.
 
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Ya'll are turning this into an pro/anti gun platform.
That's seriously sad at this moment...
A bad experience from the aftermath of a mass shooting in Britain in 1996
A lot of people kept a respectful silence, and the British media was absolutely full of gun banners gleefully dancing in blood

As a result, their accusations, many of which "proved too much" and could have equally fallaciously been used to argue for a ban on being Scottish...

- went un challenged, and hence were accepted as true by a largely uninformed public, who were justifiably distressed by the killings of very young children.

Apart from the massive waste of tax payers money, to "buy" licensed guns, and to destroy them, in some cases they were very valuable antiques(I've chopped a link - as it relates to a named family)

there was also the wholly vindictive move to not compensate businesses for "safety legislation"

that bankrupted the guy who's indoor range I used (Via Gellia Mills, near Cromford in Derbyshire), and he took his own life as a result of the financial position which he was put in.

At present, it looks like the EU is going to ban legal ownership of semi auto .22rf rifles, as a result of the Paris attacks, where illegally held AKs which are far, far bigger than .22rf, were used.

this is despite the complete failure - of any controls and of widespread bans of centrefire semi auto, and complete, long standing bans on selective fire rifles in Europe -to prevent the Paris perps obtaining such guns.

Keeping silent in the face of variously un-informed and frequently delusional calls for gun control doesn't work, I have repeatedly bitter experience of that, and so I no longer keep silent/ my typing fingers still.

I used the word delusional - for several reasons:
the empirical evidence in Britain, is that the people who have undertaken mass shootings in Britain have all held current firearms certificates, that is despite the available estimates showing several times more firearms being held illicitly and hence by un vetted people.

Neither guns nor killings will go away as a result of laws.

There are other readily available ways of causing large scale loss of life, which I will not get drawn into discussing.
 
Ok, so I read this on FB - someone else posted it and I know many people don't like the person who originally wrote it. but can we put that aside? Tonight there are vigils all over the country. Tonight we can be one.

Tonjght, this is what I'm feeling:

"ISIS should know, if you try to kill our LBGT brothers and sisters, you will need to come through us all... We are one... Today the colors of the rainbow blend into one bright light." - G. Beck
 
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Simply sad-----

I can't get wrapped up in the news because it's too overwhelming.

I hate the speculation and sensationalism by the media. Getting people hyped up over guesses does no good for anyone.

Politicians already using the tragedy as a vehicle to propel themselves forward. Nothing less than sickening.

Be well my forum friends, be well.
 
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I'm sorry I didn't see and respond to your post last night. I was coming out to fix my post that I put up last night just now and saw yours. I was also a bit disoriented and overwhelmed as I'm also in Orlando and had been glued to the TV all day, so not very focused last night. Know that you are not alone and that, as you probably know, we live in a wonderful community of loving and giving people who pull together. These are the folks who I will be looking to help me get through this until I can find strength enough to reach out and help others myself. I'm having horrible flashbacks to 9/11 so it may be a while. It's truly heartbreaking and destabilizing to have this happen in your own backyard, so I can totally relate. Please take gentle care. VB
 
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