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Trying To Get My Life Back Together

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Paul12N

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Im not too sure what Im looking for hear I guess just some advice.

I was in the Army 4 years and did a 15 month deployment to Iraq in 08-09. I was an engineer a construction equipment operator in a combat engineer bn. We went on convoys all over Iraq from pretty much everywhere from Kirkuk to Basra. We would travel to smaller fobs some so small they only had 1 or 2 companys to build additions put up hesco and layout gravel, did a few Iraqi army bases, British, and built one from scratch. A lot of crater repair and helping the sapper companys in my bn with route clearance.

We had alot of other construction work in cities all over, and because we were always somewhere new it was unfamiliar and that much more dangerous we had some close calls with IEDs foind alot of them and saw a few blow up. A friend in another plt in my company was hit by an EFP and died. There were 3 daisy chained 2 people in another vic were injured and the 3rd missed. I wasnt there on that convoy but I saw the truck after because we recovered it. It wasnt pretty it blew a hole in oneside of the RG31 hit him in the head and right out the otherside. So you can imagine what the inside looked like. We saw alot of mortars esspecially on the small fobs far from any cobs in some real shitty cities. One time a dud landed about 20 ft from my platoons tent. We were still sleeping heard no explosion just the sound of a round in the air so figured it was outgoing fire but a few moments later 5-6 more hit reallyreally close.

But by far my worst experiencein Iraq was when we had a very long convoy from moving our unit from COB Speicher near Tikrit all the way to Tallil near Nasiriyah. We stopped at afob about half way after like 20 hours on the road to sleep got up and kept going just after we got out of Baghdad back on long empty strech of desert I hear what sounds like an explosion. We stop i turn around my truck and see the one behind me hit a parked vehicle on the side of the road and we were doing like 50mph. The entire roof and turret ripped off and carried the gunner one of my friends with it like 15ft from the rest of the humvee. The tc was crushed between the seat and dash and was severley injured. A convoy passing by stopped saw was happening and a bunch of them jumped to help there about 8 people trying to get the gunner out and 4-5 trying to help the tc. I wanted to help i kept getting out and going over to the wreck my Lt kept yelling at me to stay in the vic cause i was his driver. So I had to watch as they were finally freed and carried to the medevac helicopter. The gunner was in really bad shape his head was smashed open the roof crushed his ribs an eye was hanging out but he was alive. The tc was severly wounded not as bad and the driver walked to the blackhawk with some scraps. Turns out he fell asleep behind the wheel. Thanks to my commander who was in such a hurry to get there he pushed us so hard. Noone knew if they would be ok we loaded up the wreckage and towed the humvee with our wrecker to the closest fob like 15 mins away. A little after we got there our 1sg told us the tc was in a coma and going to germany, he started crying as he told us all that the gunner didnt make it he had died on the helicopter. Everyone was silent and started to cry too.

Sorry this was so long I started writting this earlier and came back to it after a few beers. Seems like the only time I can really talk about this kinda shit. I cant believe I even wrote all this it seems easier here as its not face to face. The VA diagnosed me with PTSD I tryed their counceling they put me in called the center for returning veterans oif/oef what a joke. I didnt like it because they give you a f*cking intern a damn med student who doesnt know a thing about war or the military whos there for like 6 months doesnt have any experiance so I quit and tried again a few months later accually opened up a little the 4th time seeing her but still the same problem she was leaving in a few months and didnt get it or understand anything about the Army. Its hard to tell someone who doesnt fully understand. This isnt exactly combat related but definetly makes it all worse. 6 days after I got to Kuwait before I even got to Iraq I got a red cross message to come home because my mom was sick. She died like 12 hours after i got to the hospital in Boston while I was sitting in the bed next to her still in my acus covered in dust. After the funeral I was on a plane back and meet up with my platoon in Iraq a few days after they got there.

The main reason Im writting this long ass story is I need to get my life together. In the past few years Ive had bad anger anxiety esspecially in crowds jumpiness road rage. Since I got out and moved back home last year its gotten way worse. Before my friends and I that I deployed with all hung out together everyday and were always there for each other to talk about these things. Now back at home I have noone that gets it. I dont even know anyone here thats been in the military nevermind been deployed or have ptsd. They only family I have left my grandmother doesnt get it she acts like shes more f*cked up than me cause her daughter my mom died I dont even talk to her any more cause we dont get along. So i really have noone but my wife and I live with my wifes family. Im on probation for beating the shit out of some old bastard that said something f*cked up about my father in law right after he died in sept. The biggest problem is I have a wife and son to take care of and have been unemployed for a long time. Im in such a rut and pretty much given up. I think the anxiety is a huge reason too. It keeps me from wanting to get out and do anything esspecially with trying find work I almost never leave the house anymore. Having very little money just multiplys it. Lately I sleep all day till like 1-5 pm cause Ive been so f*cking depressed I need to get out of this rut and get back to normal. Start doing something with my life again any helpful advise from people who understand whould be great.
 
Welcome to the forum mate. Witnessing the distruction, devistation, and horrors can change a person for life, that is why PTSD is so indiscriminate. On top of that we have 'Adjustment Syndrome', or whatever they call it now, so we are challenged.

But you know, you can get a soldier, sailor, airmen, marine, whatever and discharge them after 20 years without them even going to a combat zone and they would have problems adjusting to society. You see, the military conditions they way we live and we firmly believe its the only way to live. Then we witness or experience things that are too hard to talk about. It changes you.

You can get your life back Paul. Get yourself on medication so you can think straight, then get therapy. You might be classed as one of the lucky ones mate. Those with only a couple of traumas sometimes can manage the beast well enough to return to work. Fingers crossed mate. If not, your welcome here any time.
 
Paul,

If you haven't already, get enrolled in the VA healthcare system. Tell them you need to talk to a mental health type immediately! Also check to see if they have a Vet Center near you. The councilors are all combat Vets and have been there, done that. As Jimmy said, get on meds. If one doesn't help, ask for another.

Check out the service orgs. in your area, VFW has about the best record, and file a claim for PTSD. It will take some time, but you may get a rating and the money will help out until you're ready to return to work, if that's possible.

It is common to have severe rage when you first get back, so in this case isolating may not be as bad thing until you get the rage under control. Someone on here said it's not the isolating, but what you do when you isolate. Keep busy, if you have a hobby of some sort, get back into that, anything to "center" your mind so you're not going in seventeen directions at once.

If you want, you can pm me and I can give you a list of online sites that help Vets with VA claims and related matters.

Lastly, keep coming here. The guys and ladies on here are golden for helping each other navigate through the beast called PTSD.

Glad you're home safe.

Sarg
 
Hello Paul. I agree with Sarg, get yourself a good purpose to focus on, and make it something you enjoy. And get something to reduce the anxiety. That is a distraction that afflicts many of us, and a bit of chemical help can allow you to be in charge of things again, which is important.
And talking about it is good therapy. Ask what you want, there are a lot of experienced people here who will understand you. Read Anthony's articles, too.
 
ok I havent been where you have bro, we all have a diff story to tell... but I know all about the horrible injuries and such... and most are non enemy related..

I feel you and ya... you need to go back to the VA.... go to your primary care doctor and tell her this lady isnt doing it for you that you need something more intense in therapy etc.. I was so frustrated with mine in addition to having some serious physical things going on. ended up on the edge one Sat and called the VA Crisis Hotline... (1-800-273-8255 I recommend it to be honest)

Guy on the other end asked me the same old crap... was I thinking of hurting myself etc... I told him why the f@ck would I call him if I wasnt, basically.. explained to him seeing a psychologist who had NO idea what I had seen, whose eyes were wide as saucers when I told what I have seen etc... after telling her I was a combat medic and when I was stateside I was on the Cardiac Arrest team, and at Bethesda NNMC (now also home to the former Walter Reed) there were 3 or 4 codes a night some nights... she looks at me and asks... (well have you ever had to deal with someone who was dead) lol.. I Was like WTF??? lol death was my middle name (and yes I am self medicating with alcohol tonight.... start my new meds to help that tomorrow..)

Anyway to make it short he told me to go to my primary care doctor, tell her my MH care wasn't enough... I needed more intense therapy... I did that and 3 days later I had an appt with people who had been around the block with Vets... who you could tell cared about what I said... and they weren't scared or shocked with what I had to say..

The first thing I learned in Fleet Marine Force school for Corpsmen (medics) was lose the red cross armband, the Geneva convention ID card and pick up the weapon from the first man that falls and start firing while you assess him... and qoute "You have to take care of yourself, if you don't and you die.... who is gonna patch up the rest of the platoon/company, without you.... they all die"

Take care of yourself first man... because if you don't who is gonna take care of your family???

I feel more at home here than anywhere else, even with my family and I love them to death I am not this comfortable.... they just don't understand like these guys do.. we all have been somewhere where you have in our minds.. we might not understand it all but each of us understands a little of where you are and where you have been...

Keep on keeping on bro... fight for the help you need...

Sarg and Ned said it right.. fight for it... they put you in that spot they need to get you out... join the VFW or other service organizations... get the help you need... cuz in the end... you are all you have... and you can't lose that... If we can fight an army why stop at fighting our destructive impulses?

Day by day... you can do this and we all are here to listen...
 
Hi Paul

I probably need to keep my mouth shut, but I can relate to your story and maybe I can help a little.

My story was in Jan 1971 I was running a bulldozer and part of my job was taking care of a gravel stockpile the earthmovers (pans) were storing for future use. When for some reason my CO ordered me to go down to CRB to sign a couple of papers that they had missed when I first got in country.

At the time there was no one to take my place on the dozer so there would be no one to keep the stockpile safe for the pans. And only a couple of weeks earlier we almost lost one on another stockpile that became unstable because my dozer had broke down and I was not there to keep the path over the top of the pile level and wide enough for the pans.

So I, an 18 year old sp4, told the Sgt in charge that while I was gone he should have the pans dump dirt on the road as it still needed more fill anyway and the stockpile would not be safe with me gone. The Sgt’s reply was “you mind your business and let me mind mine”.

So the next day I went to go sign the papers.

The trip to CRB and back to my unit took two days. And while I was sitting in the back of a truck on my way back a good friend of mine rolled his pan off the top of the stockpile and was killed instantly.

After that I hated that Sgt my CO and the whole damn army. Why didn’t they just send the papers to me? I was so upset that I missed morning formations for a month and I refused to go up for sp5 because I did not want to be an NCO. Even went so far as to not take an R&R for fear of something going wrong while I was away.

Now over the years I have gone to PTSD groups seen docs and taken every pill the VA can give me, but nothing has lasted and the anger was never far away. When I was going to group I learned all the sayings like “HOW’S THAT WORKING FOR YA” and “STINKING THINKING”. But I never let go of the anger, fear and pain.

Every night I would wear it to bed like some stinking, nasty, thorny, coat that I had been wearing for 41 years. It never really felt good or kept me warm, but I was so used to it that I could not live without it. Before going to sleep I had to think about all the fun and games I played in Vietnam and how things could have even more fun if they were just a little different.

Then in the morning I had to have it in the shower with me. Sometimes I would get so lost in nam that I would forget to wash my ass. Now that’s bad!

Then about two months ago my wife wanted to look up the meaning of forgiveness for some church thing she was working on. And one thing she came up with really started me thinking. I can’t remember the words, but it went something like this.

Forgiveness is realizing that no matter how hard you try you can never change the past!

Well that is just what I have been doing all these years.

How can I change the order not to fire when sitting behind a fifty cal and my sights on the target? Or what if I had got my rifle out of its holder when I was alone in a ten ton truck during an ambush?

I was trying to change the past to be the way I thought it should have been. But that can never happen so why keep trying?

Then I remembered that not one time over the years had I ever thought about the Sgt that told me to mind my own business. I never thought about how he must have felt having some kid that had only been there for two months tell him how to do his job only to find out that the kid was right!

Sure hope he was able to let go of that and remember that it was war and shit happens in war.

So I guess what I am trying to say is yes get all the help you can from anywhere you can, but remember in the end it’s up to you.

The only way to truly heal is to let go of the anger and all that goes with it!

At least that is what I have been trying to do lately and guess what.

IT’S WORKING FOR ME! and my wife loves it and ME again. And I am seeing a VA MH doc again who wants to change the pills I am on. But this time I am going to try and trust him and see how that goes.

But all this changing thinking is hard! All of you people try going to bed and going to sleep without thinking of killing and replace that with positive thoughts.

Bet you can’t!

But if you can please let me know. I need all the help I can get!



 
Bill, first of all welcome to the forum. I don't think I have seen an intro post from you and If I have, then forgive me. If I have not, maybe you can cut and paste your post on a new thread, its a good one.

Personally I am a firm believer of forgiving, it's the only way to deal with guilt. Actually, you have to change the word 'guilt' and replace it with 'regret'. The other one is a quote I saw once

'You can't change the past, and worrying about the future will only ruin the present'

Going to bed with a positive thought is hard for some of the guys on here. Some of these guys don't have access to the VA and don't have access to therapy and do it real tough. Another thing to remember is the triggers that remind people, its hard to go to bed when your stress cup is full, but thank you very much for you positive outlook.

P.S. And lastly, what is your dog's name. It's very cute.
 
Thanks Jimmy,
I did leave another post, but it,s not very good the pills i guess and I'm not good at writing. It takes me a long time to do this stuff. And I limit the time I'm on here some of this is pretty stressfull so I only come here once or twise a week.
The dog is my ShihTzu named Chewy and we also have a little girl named CJ. Guess I should change the pic to include her.
Talk about good therapy!
 
I have a little maltese cross chihuahua who is good therapy too. I reckon she knows.
As for this place mate, this has some great people who can help with lots. Its nice to know we belong somewhere.
I intend to make this forum even better. We just have to get the message out to all the veterans with PTSD around the world that this forum is a place to come and learn and belong.
 
thanks Bill... you gave me something to think about tonight... I guess my biggest obstacle is forgiving myself...

Today was a very rough day for me gonna close out soon... but ya.. I need to work on that word forgive...
 
Welcome to Both of you. I never seem to know the right thing to say. Im glad your here and at the same time Im sorry you have PTSD.
 
Welcome Home,

I'm glad you made it back and made it here as well. I can't add more to what's already been said except that you found the right place.

Jimmy's statement is perfect;
'You can't change the past, and worrying about the future will only ruin the present'

Be good to yourself, you deserve that. And take the time to get better. It can and will happen.

JarHed
 
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