but tearing up her copy of the address in front of not just millions of Americans, but
Agreed. I'd say it ranks right up there with refusing to shake hands with the Speaker of the House in that situation.
For those who aren't familiar with the way the state of the union speech is orchestrated, the Speaker of the House INVITES the president to come to the House, in their traditional meeting space, and address the 3 branches of government and the country. Refusing her offered handshake, under the circumstances, is rather like accepting a dinner invitation and ignoring the greeting of your host. Still, personally, I'd have preferred it if she'd ignored his insult rather that appearing to stoop to his level.
even the Ukranian Prez has said nothing happened
What, exactly, do you EXPECT him to say? They still need our aid. How much help is he going to get if he he says anything different? I don't KNOW how the Ukrainian president felt. I'm not offering an opinion on that one way or the other. I'm just saying I think this is a situation where he's going to say the same thing, regardless of how he feels or felt at the time. There's no real point in even asking the question, is there? You ask a rapist if he/she committed a rape, how often will they say "Yes?" right off the bat? Not very darn often, right? A teacher asks a kid if they're being bullied at school. How often does the kid say they are? And what happens next? (The bully beats the crap out of them for ratting them out, right?)
IF Biden secured a job for his son through GIVING Ukraine aid money and Trump got to the bottom of it by withholding aid money, well no brainer...
I actually haven't seen any evidence that he did that. I think it's WAY more likely that his son was offered the job because people working for that company HOPED he could influence his father. I haven't seen any evidence that he actually DID influence his father.
The famous "firing the prosecutor" incident was firing a prosecutor that our government and the EU agreed was corrupt, because, as our "point person" for the Ukraine, it was Biden's JOB to try to get him removed. Do I think it was a good idea for Hunter Biden to take that job? NO. It was a mind blowingly stupid idea because of the the job his father had at the time. On the other hand, I don't think it's any more corrupt that a lot of rich kids who get jobs they aren't qualified for because of who they're related to.
To be clear, the Vice President of the US doesn't hand out foreign aid. Congress votes on it, the President vetoes or not. The VP really doesn't get much direct say about it. What has become a question is why that prosecutor was fired. The facts, as I know them, say that there was general agreement, in the US and Europe, during the Obama administration, that the guy was corrupt. That was during the PREVIOUS Ukrainian administration. (The timing of all this gets confusing.) He got fired. A new president got elected in both countries. For reasons I don't understand, Rudy Giuliani seems to have decided that the guy was ok, and he's trying to make that case that there was something wrong with firing him. I think it's highly unlikely that he got fired because he was about to investigate the company H. Biden was on the board of, because the reason he got fired in the first place was that he wasn't investigating ANYONE. (Probably not literally true, but it seems he was only investigating those who didn't pay him off, or who have some other sort of leverage.)
If there's a conspiracy here involving the Biden's I'd like to see it dragged out in the open, and BEFORE the election. But there's a lot of other stuff I'd like to see dragged out into the open BEFORE the election too. What I'd REALLY like to see is our elected officials doing their jobs as originally conceived, not like it's some kind of grand sporting event where there have to be winners and losers. Getting to the actual truth seems like it's in the best interest of the country. But, the way things stand at the moment, I don't know what it would take to produce a "truth" that was convincing to folks on both sides of the Trump divide.
