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I hear the arguments for long term solution.... but how long does it take? I keep getting back to feeling like I can NEVER feel happy and alive when I am not a little high or wasted. What the hell. The emotion, the real me, unafraid, just isn't there, except for the tiniest occasional spark.

I am not in a legalized state either. I am not proud of it and don't take this as a recommendation, but the first/second plateaus of DXM were very emotionally beneficial for me in my worst years surviving my work/life... that was probably 6 years ago
 
Thanks everyone for your input!

I am begining the withdrawal and just looking for something to help me with my growing anxiety (the man who tried to kill me and did some horrible things has contacted me and is threatening again. And you guys know how helpful police can be sometimes!

And for those who think I'm not dealing with my issues, I am, and that's why I'm on the highest doses, because my nightmares and panic attacks and such are worse. I go to therapy twice a week, doing EMDR, CBT and talk therapy, so believe me, I'm looking to heal!:)

I know this is a touchy subject for a lot of people, so I'm being delicate with it, but please ask questions before you assume and bite me! ;)
 
@franciemarnie Oh and thank you for the advice on downing my dosage, I know that's how my doctor plans to help me and I know it is a difficult!

@Solara It has been relatively short term, it's to help get through the hardest of therapy and some rough times. Honestly when I can, I much prefer to be on absolutely no medication. My doctor monitores it pretty closely and I'm confident in his decisions.
 
Not biting ;)

I just worry when I hear people looking desperately to find ways to self medicate in some way because I know the problems it led me to.

I have issues with using weed, but I also have issues with some other medications, legal and not. I am on meds too though and have been on and off for years. My goal like yours is to be off it though.

My problem with the idea of self medicating with weed, or promoting it as a solution, is that it doesn't necessarily have the same effect on everybody. If you have mental health issues especially, I would advise extreme caution. If it works for you great, but I've seen some pretty disastrous effects on people from weed use, and I am someone myself who it doesn't really do any favours for.
 
@anonymous - One of the steps in healing is learning tolerance of distressing feelings. Self-medicating is a short-term solution but it puts off the practicing of how to safely experience our feelings.

Feeling like you can never feel happy and alive without self-medicating isn't actually a feeling but rather an unhelpful mental cognition that was picked up somewhere along the way. Every time our self-talk reinforces a negative mental cognition, it becomes stronger. It must be challenged before you will find relief from the real feeling underneath the cognition. Is it fear of distress? Anger at memories? Sorrow?

When trying alternatives to self-medication, generally the underlying motivation is relief of suffering. There's nothing wrong or bad about wanting relief. When our relief can only come from a chemical instead of distress tolerance and grounding skills, we are really dependent upon something external. This is an issue because external things can be cut off unexpectedly through finances, lack of connection, arrest, health insurance changes, etc.

Those of us who weren't lucky enough to be taught the difference between our feelings and our cognitions are at a disadvantage in the healing process. Cognitions are how we speak to ourselves that can either push us forward in recovery or prolong our suffering. We can change our cognitions - our self talk - to build internal resources to draw on whenever, wherever we need them.
Even if you can't tolerate the feeling for long yet, my best suggestion is to make yourself comfortable, warm, with grounding objects nearby, and just allow the feelings to come up without self-medicating. It's very hard at first. Even if you're only successful for a few minutes, every time we do this, we learn that our feelings can't kill us. They aren't facts. They aren't rational. They just are, and when we learn to stop pushing down the bad and just let them wash over, being able to let feelings through is what leads to the good stuff of life.
 
I hear the arguments for long term solution.... but how long does it take?
Difficult to answer - it depends. We're all different, and we all have different levels of trauma / number of different trauma's. It's impossible to give any sort of definitive answer.

Other things to take into consideration, if you are about to embark on trauma therapy is how stable your life is? That's if you are in employment, will you be able to cope with work and therapy? If you don't work, are you able to financially support your self? Do you have real life support? If you have family commitments, can they cope if you are not 'there' for them emotionally?

Essentially, for therapy to be as successful as possible, your life needs to be as stress free as possible. Therapy is incredibly difficult, and you will need everything else in your life to be as stable as possible, to reduce your stress levels. You also need to accept that the going will be tough, and resolve to not do anything to silly during hard times. You kind of have to resolve to weather storms, and put faith in the fact that no matter how hard therapy is - you will feel better in the end.

My biggest regret is that I didn't understand that. I was so scared of therapy. I was scared to bring all those emotions out, because I didn't understand that I would have to do that in order to reduce the emotions surrounding my trauma. It's tough - no getting away from it - but it's the only way you can ever begin to move forwards. Drowning your emotions in drugs or drink isn't a long term solution and will only lead to more problems in the long run.

Prescribed medication does have it's place - in that you might need to keep your anxiety in check in order to proceed with therapy, but there is a limit. If PTSD is your sole issue, then any amount of anti-anxiety meds, or anti-depressants aren't going to solve your problems long term and may just add a dependency issue (with benzo's) into the mix.

How long does it take? I have one trauma that caused my PTSD. Being raped many times over by a stranger at knife point over a period of about 2 hours. I had 2 hours of trauma therapy (with a specialist in sexual assault) per week for a year. I had multiple low points in that time. I also tried to take my life several times during the process. I had support, but I also had employment and financial worries during that time. Maybe without those issues, and a better understanding of the therapy process, it might not have taken me so long. But we are all individuals, and it takes as long as it takes. The bigger your commitment and understanding of the process, likely, the less time needed.
 
@digger1 I can definitely appreciate your viewpoint. I'm honestly very iffy on marijuana to begin with, although I know it has helped me sleep and decrease my anxiety. I am worried now that the other medicines I'm on could even lead me to other mental issues which I'm definitely not interested in!

This thread was mostly just looking for something that gives the same benefits of weed without it being weed. Sometimes even burning a certain aroma can do that, looking for something legal and natural.

I will be honest with my doctor so as not to self medicate.
 
@anonymous Thank you for your honesty. I know people say to do this/do that, but everyone is completely different. Something's work for some people that don't work for others.

I know I feel so hopeless sometimes when I know I'm trying all I can and I'm still not getting anywhere, when making it through the day is the most I can handle and an accomplishment. But I just keep thinking that it has to get better, and one day it's going to happen for you.

Sending good thoughts your way!
 
@BloomInWinter I think you're totally right about the internal ways we learn to cope. My doctor taught me a weird tongue trick for helping me get through high anxiety times- and unless someone cuts my tongue off, I'll always have that.

Being able to remind myself that things will get better, that I'm strong and tomorrow will be better. Self talk is a very important thing.

Thank you for reminding me of that:)
 
Research suggests that the following supplements can be helpful for anxiety: california poppy, ginkgo, hawthorn, passionflower, rhodiola, and valerian. I do not pretend to have any knowledge of herbalism, but I put together this list after carefully looking through the actual evidence published (I'm a researcher, and I teach research methods at university, so I feel like I have a decent basis for evaluating the quality of studies).

I've tried all of these, and they seem to work best in combination, though after a while I find that I have to keep increasing the dose, and eventually it stops working. Maybe I need to stick with it longer, or maybe I need to cycle through different herbs to avoid the build-up of resistance. Other people may have a different experience--I've heard some people claim the herbs work better after some time.

I'll add that it seems that various nutritional deficits can exacerbate anxiety, so it might make sense to take a multivitamin (be sure it includes magnesium).

In any case, I'm all for trying to find natural alternatives. Of course, one must not assume that "natural" is safe--listen to your body, and stop if you're noticing any ill effects (I guess this is good procedure for any pharmaceuticals). Be very careful about the source of supplements--there are so many sketchy companies out there. Then again, I think one could argue that the pharmaceutical companies--and their drugs--are even sketchier, for so many reasons!

Good luck, and please let us know if you find anything that works for you!
 
Well an extra smack for your doctor for pushing your doses so high so quickly. Then again, I am thinking your doses really aren't as high as you think they are.

Either way, if your symptoms are due to withdrawal, more drugs aren't going to help you. You've just got to suck it up and get through them. Check out benzobuddies.org. They'll give you lots of advice on withdrawing from these nasty drugs.
 
Sorry I should have clarified, the highest doses my doctor is willing to go. I am sorry for wording it poorly.

@Solara I understand you're going through a tough time yourself by some of your postings. I sincerely hope no one tells you to 'suck it up' and gets a little passive aggressive with you. I was looking for healthy alternatives to my current medications. I also never said my symptoms were due to withdrawal. I agree that I (or anyone withdrawing) has to go through a rough patch to get through it, but they're entitled to look for a little help.

Just as a reminder (as I feel this is going off topic) my post was looking for natural alternatives. Marijuana is becoming legal for a reason, it does help some. I was looking for a natural, legal relief. I still have my own reservations about it.

Thank you everyone for all the advice and insight:)
 
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