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What is your favoured mode of reacting? fight, flight, freeze or fawn?

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Freeze/Hide/Run....It started when I was four, he was a big tough,cruel man. What else could I have done.!
?! It was definitely learned and implemented for over twenty years. I have glimpses of not dissociating and I am becoming more present one day at a time......but I have a llloooonnnngggg ways to go, pretty fragmented, daily flashbacks, ugh....I agree with @Cashew ...freedom would be a welcome blessing in my life. It's a constant challenge...tiring.
 
Me too! God, I dont feel so alone in that now!



Great way to put that! Oh and I volunteer...

Thank you, it can be hard to express the difficulty managing fight and anger responses around people that feel helpless and were abused by angry people. I've noticed that most of the time its okay with them even if they dont understand it, I'm the one thats getting uncomfirtable.

I've had a few times I've been responded to negatively by someone judging me for anger issues in groups. Like no one will believe you were horribly victimized if you look like you can really kick ass.

I'm not a religious person, but I had lost my faith in anything during my worst years. Before I'd had a sense of spirituality and a higher power, it was gone when some things happened that if there even was a god, I didnt care if he/she knew I hated them. Enough was enough.

That dog saved me in ways that nothing else could have. He was a year old and had been seized in a drug bust where the owners had encouraged the aggression in the dogs they had. He was singled out for being put down and taken by a foster mom that lied about his problem because she fell in love with him, I took him from her because Im in a different county and he wasnt passing the tests from the foster inspecter. I was training him and looking for someone out in the country for him, but there were incidents that made it clear he could never be a pet without a being a danger. I tried so hard for 6 months, even maxed out credit cards and took him to a dog whisperer, lol. I didnt do it, I gave him to someone else who let him run free in forests for a couple weeks and babied him before he went. ( Uh oh crying now aarrgh :cry:)

Anyway, what I was getting at is that I had started to believe that I had become sociopathic. All of my defenses looked like the behavior of people who'd hurt me all my life. I've read enough psychology to know my thought processes were fitting the criteria.

This dog was named True, he got that at the shelter I didnt give it to him. He showed me that he was what I had basically become, and it can cause fear in people and be judged. He saved me from a lifetime of believing I'd become a reactive sociopath. He was was like an angel for me, I think the name he came with was a hint that I should pay close attention to him. I have video of him playing gently with my cat, waiting patiently behind my chihuahua for his treat. But he also looked at you like a wolf, not a dog before he went on attack.

Its not like other dogs, like pit bulls. A wild dog will not even bare a tooth or growl until they are a half second from lunging at your neck. I also believed after watching him select who he tried to attack that he was not random, but had a sense of dangerous energy. Sometimes that dangerous energy might be in a harmless looking 13 year old kid though. Whatever the case was in a situation, I learned to understand that I was no different, a perceived threat, is just that, a percieved threat. I stopped judging myself so harshly when I realized I couldnt change True or judge him for it. He perceived what he percieved and his intention was to survive. He was capable of deep love, loyalty and gentleness. Dogs dont have a reason to fake that, the love was as real as the aggression.

I keep his collar around my review mirror to think of him daily.....and to help me with road rage. :happy:

I'm glad I've met another fight person that also loves and appreciates these wolf dogs.
 
Its not like other dogs, like pit bulls. A wild dog will not even bare a tooth or growl until they are a half second from lunging at your neck.

You ever watch wolves in the wild? They cant let on to prey that they are about to kill them. Not his fault, he was half wild wolf. I own a pitbull and even pits are thousands of years (something like that) removed from the wild.

He perceived what he percieved and his intention was to survive.

Right! Thats why I think he was a great example!

I keep his collar around my review mirror to think of him daily.....and to help me with road rage. :happy:

Awww! Thats so sweet! I also have road rage...:cautious::shifty: Not as bad as my Dad but still have it.

I'm glad I've met another fight person that also loves and appreciates these wolf dogs.

Me too! :hug: On the interwebs you just never know. ;)
 
Hi Snowflake, There isn't any wrong or right as it's just about our own experience. The truth of it. Whatever it is we feel OK sharing. I appreciate your response. I think my freeze mode came mostly with a mindset of "I'll just pretend it doesn't exist and then I won't have to feel anything- or (strangely) harm anyone". I think. I'm still not sure and not sure what my internal messages were. I know I did feel that anything I tried to do or say made things worse so I just stopped everything. Tried to stop existing and then it would all go away. Be invisible. Not consciously of course. All instinctual and unconscious. I have always been assertive when it came to defending others but never me and that wasn't fight. It comes and came from a rational place not a fight and flight one.

Lostforgottonsoul, my understanding is that all fight and flight defenses are knee jerk. They are animalistic instinct taking over when we feel highly under threat, Unfortunately those of us with PTSD and even more so complex trauma can instinctually perceive a lot of situations as warranting F&F! I do anyway. It's surprising to see you saying fight is a minority on here as I have thought the opposite! Or rather maybe that Fight seems to be a very common part of peoples defenses here. Why so many people get banned here all the time! Common response to abuse methinks. We probably all feel badly about our own responses. Sure you'll get in control of it as you go along.

Coco, Personally the way I understand it and see it is that all of these defenses are really important for survival. What I don't want and I don't think of as healthy is going into a particular type of F and F (or sometimes any if the situation didn't warrant it) that isn't appropriate to the situation. If it's not a true F and F situation I don't want to go into instinct mode. And if it is I want to be able to flexibly go into the one that would be most suitable. I think that's how those who have been brought up in a safe environment with good enough parenting would react. They are flexible. I was never. Maybe I was when the first real threat happened in my life but then I became stuck. IDK. Easy to say! Really hard to do. I have changed a huge amount too though. Sorry about your dog. :( How you describe his reaction describes fight really well.

ShelaKathy,
I;m sorry it was that way for you. Hope it changes.

Cashew,
I absolutely agree they are changeable! I think professionals totally see it that way too. Theoretically anyway.
Funny as I hadn't thought of them as biological. Rather as trained in and also as a result of beliefs that we happen to fall into. It seems to me a lot of it comes from what we believe. If people feel anger is powerful then they seem to use fight more.. If like me they happen upon seeing it as dangerous and out of control then they are likely to use it less. I had to do a lot of work on my perceptions of anger before I could change. I also had an over developed fear of harming others and an underdeveloped need to look after myself.

But I imagine you are right that biology would come into it. A little at least. Like for example I know they say the ability to dissociate is inherent to an extent. Maybe its a combo of all three? IDK. I suspect the behaviour we see in those around us influences it too. Sometimes we copy aspects of our parents behaviour. Or we do what we believe works best in our environment.

Fridayjones,
when it comes to combat I totally see how fight gets trained in and other responses get trained out. Have spoken to Anthony and others on here about that before and it was enlightening. I can see how for some that can be hard to adjust when coming back into civilian life. Are you saying you do a bit of flight as well? The adrenalin and distraction mode! I think Pete Walker says that's the super independent type.

Hi Enaila! Did you ever go down the perfectionism and addiction route with your flight stuff?
 
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surprising to see you saying fight is a minority on here as I have thought the opposite! Or rather maybe that Fight seems to be a very common part of peoples defenses here. We probably all feel badly about our own responses. Sure you'll get in control of it as you go along.

I mean, it may not be and its not good to generalize the entire site like that. Its just what ive seen on the site of just people talking and conversing. I see a ton of freeze and flight and i seem to be the only fight person. I dont know. Was a massive relieve to see i wasnt alone.

It is absoulty knee jerk and there is no thought in it at all. Usually later after i can think then i come back appologitic and trying to explain. If i can catch myself (and im trying to get better at it) if i feel that rage coming (and its like a split sec catch) and disenage, say from a thread but this does apply to everything in my life, and walk away for a bit, i can calm that and get my abilty to think back and rationalize my way out of it.

It sucks though as if i slip and cant catch myself i look like a complete ass.
 
Hi Lostforgootonsoul,
I have met many people on here with deeply ingrained fight responses and those who have changed it and managed to use it more controllably. To stop it sabotaging their lives. I'm sure you will do so too. If you think about it for a second almost everyone of those on here who get banned are in fight! The place is dripping with fight reactions. You certainly aren't alone. Freeze has caused me some of my trauma. Not fond of that. It took enormous amounts of work to start changing that knee jerk instinct but it is changing. Lots of shame and difficult feelings around all of these I suspect.
 
I fight. I've been in traditional martial arts for 20 years, and have trained at least three days a week, every week, all year, every year, since I started. I am trained to defend myself and others, and do so effectively. As a child, would either freeze or fawn, depending on who was hurting me and what I knew they preferred.
 
If you think about it for a second almost everyone of those on here who get banned are in fight! The place is dripping with fight reactions. You certainly aren't alone.

True, though I try very hard not to join them...though I do fear one day I wont be able to catch it and all hell will break loose in me but alas, just a fear. I do try very hard to catch myself and take that step away and if I stop being able to, to come off the site for a while. Threadbans help a ton as its that big blarring neon sign to step away!

I must say the staff is great to have put up with me, though very thankful of it!
 
For most of my life I was stuck in freeze until I started therapy and began to feel anger/rage and I was a handful.

So now it depends on the situation and my own perceptions whether they are based in reality or la la land.

If I get pushed into a corner I attack, If I get caught off guard I retreat a little until I can think it through and try to be respectful yet hold my own ground. I still have bad moments of getting overreactive and I am trying to manage this and am doing better but I still have those times. Three steps forward and two steps back.
 
@Attack:

I try to fight. Or fleeing.
I get extremely aggressive at times, because I cant stand to be the one who gives up. This is dangerous because I am not a physically string Person. Usually I says something to degrade others. I also have an ego issue. Urghhh...

End if the year I am going to a self defense class.
 
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