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What's The Point Bettering Yourself If It Just Means More To Regret?

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i guess that's true that high social class probably means you are more exposed to such things, but lovers of art and literature come from all classes, in my experience. And boofheads come from all classes too / in my experience.
But you're right about the exposure.
But anyway, congratulations on your success. I'm sure it has been well earned!
 
I sort of wish I hadn't made the class remark in the original post. I've gotten little advice on the problem of increased regret/shame. Instead I've been called to the carpet for saying something politically incorrect.

All of you people here from the lower social classes, trust me, I'm one of you and always will be no matter how my circumstances alter. Please don't take my self loathing the wrong way.
 
Not sure you should assume everyone here is from the lower social classes. Trauma and horror do not make social distinctions!
It's not about being politically correct, but maybe it's your own ideas about class that need adjusting.
I would imagine the people here come from all different types of backgrounds.
You would be surprised
 
Not sure you should assume everyone here is from the lower social classes. Trauma and horror do not make social distinctions!
It's not about being politically correct, but maybe it's your own ideas about class that need adjusting.
I would imagine the people here come from all different types of backgrounds.
You would be surprised
I never implied that all of the people here were from lower social classes. I was just addressing the ones that might be, if there are any.
 
Since I am going to be kind of harsh, I am not going to hide behind anonymous. This is Fadeaway speaking. As many people here know my husband is a Classicist. For those that don't know what that is, he is a scholar in ancient Greece and Ancient Rome. He is currently working in a call center. He is so insecure about this he won't even call his own children (granted there are other issues which sort of justifies the lack of contact but when he uses this as an excuse...) I have a higher sex drive than he does, but flat out, seeing a man put that much self-identity into his career instead of as a husband or father, it puts the breaks on any sexual desire I might have.

There is a huge difference to me between someone who introduces themselves as "Hi, I am mike I have a wife, two kids and I work in medicine." and someone who introduces themselves as, "Hello I am Doctor Micheal Smith and I run the department of oncology and my wife is off somewhere watching our two kids." The first one is respectable, the second one is repulsive.

My husband was born middle class, and I was born white trash. I love symphonies and opera. Anthropology, philosophy, history and literature are more than just my favorite subjects, they are hobbies. But like you, I judged others so harshly I thought I couldn't have friends because anyone in my social class would find those things boring. People of lower classes just disguise their interest better, because they think people will think they are odd.

I mean a random sample of 100 waiters, waitresses, and busboys would be less knowledgeable about the cannon of Western literature than a random sample of 100 law students. That's what it has to do with social class.
I am going to disagree and say that it is the other way around. Being forced to take it in a college class doesn't equate to retention out of a love for the subject. Where you might find several waitress's that reading books on their5-minutee break because they have a love for it.

There was a time I was as cruel of a judge as you are. and that made me alone. However, I learned that everything you have said is simply not true and I was putting bars on gates that didn't even exist. I get your thinking, My husband has it, I have had it, but life has proven it wrong. The first step you need to take, is stop judging others with a critical eye.
 
I mean a random sample of 100 waiters, waitresses, and busboys would be less knowledgeable about the cannon of Western literature than a random sample of 100 law students. That's what it has to do with social class.

I disagree and fully agree with the post above me.

Me, Im poor, ive always been poor. I didnt have a chance to go to college and today Im trying to live on a single, not great, income in a double, or high single, income society. So Id fit in, i cant relate to what your intrests are, however, my books growing up was encycolpedias, I read each 8 times or more, I teach myself constantly and continously and because of that I know enough to make 4 or more times I make, but because it is self teaching and I dont have a degree to back me, that knowledge doesnt exist according to employers, but that doesn't mean in actuality, that it doesn't.

I may not own a yacht but that doesnt mean I cant relate, knowledge level, to those that do.

And I know MANY of my co-workers are the same. I work in the IT industry and there are MANY that are the same there.
 
And I know MANY of my co-workers are the same. I work in the IT industry and there are MANY that are the same there.
Evak, I respect your point of view, but IT is generally not considered a working class field. It is certainly not seen as on par with waiting tables.
 
but IT is generally not considered a working class field. It is certainly not seen as on par with waiting tables.

No but it might as well be, I make about the same. I work in an incoming call center as technical support for internet and computers, we dont make much.

But being in IT, knowing 5 programming langauges, built my first PC at 18, having the knowledge I do without the degree or certified backing to get a better job, doesnt erase the knowledge or intellengence. Something my therapist currently has me looking at as an attibute.

Just because someone waits tables does not be they dont have any less intellegence then yourself. Thus you should not put them in a low class then yourself, as someone that cant relate to things you enjoy. How do you know if you dont ask or automatically look at them as such?
 
Just because someone waits tables does not be they dont have any less intellegence then yourself. Thus you should not put them in a low class then yourself, as someone that cant relate to things you enjoy. How do you know if you dont ask or automatically look at them as such?
Relax, I'm not putting anyone down. I waited tables myself in some pretty crap establishments. I'm talking about statistical averages here.
 
Bona again. Sorry for the 20 questions.

Having a different interest in social recreational activities, can't be the only reason you have such an ingrained repulsion for lower class people. (Yourself included)

Is there something else?
 
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