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When Are Friends Enabling A Disorder?

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@candor sorry for being so 'wordy', repeating myself and over explaining; bad habit of mine.

If you'd like it, heres the book:

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I couldnt find it in Dutch, when I googled this is the close I could get:

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But not sure what that is, i cant read Dutch; Im not even sure if that is Dutch lol ;)

Also thank you for sticking by him and being his friend, I dont have friends in real life or online due to my issues! And to me that makes you awesome!
 
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I have been reading most of the above and I can only come up with one question that maybe could help you to ask yourself: "What do I get out of this relationship?"
I ask because I am not able to find it, apart from wanting to help a person at your own expense. Doing therapy with a romantic partner is never recommended nor healthy. Maybe you could help him find another therapist?

But not sure what that is, i cant read Dutch; Im not even sure if that is Dutch lol

Yes, it is Dutch.
 
What do I get out of this relationship?"
I ask because I am not able to find it, apart from wanting to help a person at your own expense. Doing therapy with a romantic partner is never recommended nor healthy. Maybe you could help him find another therapist?

I 100% agree with this and he does need his own therapist instead of her being his stand in therapist.

But i cant help but to admire that she wants to help him and willing to ask instead of just ending the relationship. I guess thats because personally I think i make an awesome friend but no one is willing to give me that chance because of my 'issues'. Now im a bit different than she describes here, but i just admire that. Maybe im wrong to and certianly it sounds like its to her expense and thats not fair nor right but i guess im just wishing more people would be like her, at least give someone a chance is all.
 
@lfs: cool that you are wordy so I feel less guilty about my lack of brevity. And you are equally awesome for sharing your time.

LFS: Shrink talk is ANNOYING, don't shrink talk...just don't sound so clinical
Me: I am super annoying. I do not hear myself talk like a shrink. A friend of mine once imitated me. At first, I was in complete shock. Then I burst out laughing. OMG, those poor people no wonder they run away. Oh well..love me or leave me.
LFS: Is he in therapy?
Me: He was hospitalised from his early 20's, labelled all kinds of things (I can only guess), heavy duty anti-psychosis meds, 10 bad years, 10 better years then 10 bad years and when I met him, he told me he had PTSD and was in therapy. Thats how I ended here and got a ptsd therapist of my own, now he says "I don't have a therapist and I don't have PTSD and I know what I need". He claims that he is stable. He is the most unstable person I have met in my life and I met plenty. Neither of us has the role of caretaker. He prides himself in managing himself. After a two month break from me, he was so changed to the better that I thought he was taking a higher dosis. Nope, he is lowering his dosis with the accept of his shrink. Ok so he does have a shrink who just medicates (free in this country), he goes to some group (I don't ask if he doesn't say) , he once mentioned a workbook, and he is done with labels.
LFS: set the boundry in a calm moment
Me: We do this already. He is a big fan of setting boundaries. He is also honest to say that he is not sure that he can live up to mine. I tell him: "I need to see you try." He tries so hard that the exhaustion shows.
LFS:sounds like he was sexually abused as a child
Me: Highly unlikely. All the plumbing works and his libido is more of an impulsive all-or-nothing mood switch.

This suggestion I found helpful cause I haven't tried:
LFS:Here, you can state to him it is anger, how its anger this is what it is (name it all off, be specific), and this is what it does to you. You can set that boundary by telling him straight up you aren't leaving him but you cant take the anger.

Me: He hates when we talk about the relationship, any conflict or as he puts it: "I can't take any confrontation." I have written to him the following :
"I need a partner who is willing to discuss things that may be hard or upsetting - and who will not shut me up "as a rule". I do not want to feel that I have no voice or no choice in the decisions you make. Either both of us are allowed to complain and express disappointment or neither of us are allowed.Because something upsets me does not mean that I won't show you kindness or understanding. I just need you to listen and say "I understand how my behaviour makes you feel". I want to feel that you have an interest in what I have to say."

I really overwhelm him with words. Words really destroy passion. We both feel that. He has made me a better listener. He is amazing when he can allow himself to be calm. And while I got all the status in terms of education, financial security and high IQ scores....here comes this guy who because of his own set of challenges is literally invisible to society and guess what ...He blows me away. Describing why is like trying to describe the taste of chocolate to someone that refuses to try it.

@LFS Your last post made my eyes water and i feel a lump in my throat. I don't do tears (ever) so I will just say that although I don't know you nor your qualifications as a friend, you pretty much nailed my need for a friend right now by just being you. I don't need to justify to anyone why I do what others may find to be odd or unaffordable. I got the resources to be generous and I do crazy things cause I do. Maybe I am just ahead of my time. I see the stigmatizations slowly melting but it won't happen without courage. My friend may never get better but it won't be cause he didn't get the chance. Oh and its not a romance thing. Its a human thing.
 
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Oh and its not a romance thing. Its a human thing.

I LOVE THAT, I LOVE THAT, I LOVE THAT!!!

He is amazing when he can allow himself to be calm.

Thats what the DBT workbook helps with, it helps the internal emotional storm us BPDers feel.

Maybe go through the DBT workbook with him? I know that would help me cuz im sorta stuck on the beginning of chapter 2 and someone going through it with me would help me.

Maybe that will make him feel more at ease with it? He knows his emotions are storming inside but he's a guy and most guys wanna be "macho' about emotions. Not all but at least most ive met.

The anger is, i think, how he hides the real emotions. Anger is the first thing i could feel. Ive been in therapy 7 yrs and only just started to identify and feel other things. Pain is very hard. Its easier to feel anger than it is pain.

Thank you for being his friend :hug:
 
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I am super annoying. I do not hear myself talk like a shrink. A friend of mine once imitated me. At first, I was in complete shock. Then I burst out laughing. OMG, those poor people no wonder they run away. Oh well..love me or leave me.

You are not annoying. I just hate it when people 'shrink" talk. I tell them 'i love ya lots but leave the therapist talk up to my therapist, i just need a friend to talk to" lol. ;)

he is done with labels.

I dont blame him. Labels sometimes can do more harm than what the label is describing. He does need a therapist though but if he (or you and he) can get through a DBT book, he certianly will be able to handle emotions and distress better.

Not sure what he was on but seriquol which is tehcnically i believe an anti-psycotic, low doses has been approved in the new 5th edition of the DSM for BPD as have a few other meds. It helps the emotions, helps to "calm the storm".

He tries so hard that the exhaustion shows.

Awwwww! I see myself in him so much!
 
I see myself in him so much!
From what you write, so do I. He just texted me to see him tommorrow. He called me, cancelled tommorrow and said Thursday and changed it to Friday afternoon. I had to reassure him 3-4 times that I understood his need for space. I must have a warped sense of humor cause I couldn't stop laughing after we hung up. I guess the normal thing is to be pissed (as if that ever got us anywhere). I think we all tend to get into trouble when we want to control the uncontrollable. I am happy when i get my guitar to do as I want :). Anyways, he is coming over (I hope) which was unthinkable a few months ago. I hope he can enjoy being silent and quiet just this once :)
 
From what you write, so do I. He just texted me to see him tommorrow. He called me, cancelled tommorrow and said Thursday and changed it to Friday afternoon. I had to reassure him 3-4 times that I understood his need for space. I must have a warped sense of humor cause I couldn't stop laughing after we hung up.

LOL, If it helps any, so did I ;)

Prob cuz we are talking about it. I love your understanding. I bet you a millon bucks (if i had a millon bucks) that he has no idea how much he does it.

I guess the normal thing is to be pissed (as if that ever got us anywhere). I think we all tend to get into trouble when we want to control the uncontrollable

Nah, thats what people think is the 'normal' thing but what is 'normal' anyway?

I learn the only thing we can control is FAB: Your Feelings, Your Attitude, You Behavior; the rest in this world is out of your control.

I am happy when i get my guitar to do as I want

Right! Im happy when drawing/painting and im happy when i can figure myself out just a bit more. And if one person shows a bit of understanding! ;)

Anyways, he is coming over (I hope) which was unthinkable a few months ago. I hope he can enjoy being silent and quiet just this once :)

Well there you go! You got him that far. Thats awesome! Im sure his anxiety is making him change the days and times. Just a huntch putting mysrlf in his place. Ive done that. Acctually backed out an hour before plans christmas day because of my anxiety and issues with the holiday.

Do this, play some soft calming music, have him lay down, talk with a calming voice and if he allows touch, slowly trace your fingers softly on him; his arms, back etc. Its amazing how internally calming that is. My ex used to do that and it calmed everything inside down. But i have to trust the person im allowing to touch me.
 
google and watch, you wont regret. It says a lot and will make you laugh:
The Power of Vulnerability | Brene Brown | TED Talks
stop predicting and controlling and learn to live with vulnerability
 
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I love Bere Brown! I own her book Risin Strong but havent read it yet.

I saw her on Oprah's Super Soul Sunday & one i think their called something sessions. Hers was about trust.
 
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