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Where Are All The Men?

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I think shame/doubt silences both genders; I just wonder if males with PTSD are more prone to shame because they feel they should be able to handle it as stated above.

I agree that shame silences all of us. Some of my biggest anger is still towards myself that I feel the shame from what others have done to me. It's so flipping back-asswards.

A female side of the whole 'I should be able to handle it' shame. I grew up in a home where on one hand I was denied opportunities to do things and requried to do things on the basis of being female. The words 'lady-like' push my buttons like nothing else. On the other hand anytime I showed any sort of emotions I was berated for being a weak, emotional, unstable woman. The only way to get my father's approval (and my mother's since she did whatever dear old dad told her to do) was to be emotionless and in total control. No wonder I did so damned well in the army!

Feeling shame for not being able to fight, control and defeat my PTSD has been such a huge stumbling block for me. Allowing myself to be human and vulnerable...OMG!...can't do that. Then I'm back to being the weak, unstable female.

Feeling shame about not being able to deal with problems alone is a more societal thing for males, but there's a lot of us females out there that share this too, through upbringing.

Lisa

PS-Glad to see there are more guys sticking around and they're actually talking.
 
Hello.

Well yes this is very interesting and in the same aspect quite typical behavior.
I have been here for some time and a lot of it was spent in silence and I
only speak when spoken to.
I find for myself its easier to talk one on one rather than throw myself
out there, but none the less I'm making an effort and trying more and more
to let people in rather then push them away.
So we are out there, were just learning to cope in different ways.
See ya.

FIRE.
 
That's interesting you mention that Pat, I also feel more comfortable with women. That is natural to a degree, I think, but part of it for me is that in my experience men are more judgemental, less understanding and accepting. Nice to voice it somehow.

OH thanks guys as if ptsd isn't bad enough now you've got me questioning my sexuality!! (joke)

When I come on here I really worry about upsetting anyone,people have been through enough without me adding to it by saying something stupid or thoughtless. If I think that I have upset someone I beat myself up about it for ages.

So many women here have suffered trauma because of men and at times I fear that I might add to their discomfort just by being here, so it makes me more cautious about getting involved, I question my right to comment.

Jesta
(my first go at using the quote thing hope it works)
 
As a man, I am a nation of one, a fortress of strength unto myself, I need no one, can do anything at anytime, and I never need to say I don't know or Please help me....(laughing my behind off, at myself).

Seriously, I think the way little boys are socialized and the old school crap we were taught about what it means to be a man, causes many men to suffer for years in silence. I personally was so cut off from my emotions, (unless it was anger), that to this day if you ask me how I am feeling I will have to stop and give it serious thought because chances are I don't really know.

I had run away from myself and my problems, so hard, for so long that, I had no idea of what I was running to or from. It was only the fear of continual pain, agony, and torment that led me to reluctantly seek help, (in other words I was in a living hell, all my own).

Along the way towards healing, I learned that it takes more of a man to admit when he is wrong, to admit he needs help, doesn't know, is lost or expose his weaknesses and vulnerabilities than it does to hide them. I can't wait until the majority of men realize this. hahaha
I wish there were more men who would fight against these old school notions, because if you look back to the song, "Heard it Through the Grapevine," you will see that we were literally taught that "a man ain't supposed to cry." What total BS. Repressing pain has created more mentally ill adult-boys than anything else.

Ok, I am through ranting for the moment...I have to go rip open some beer cans with my teeth.

~Lewie~
 
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I have read that being female is generally one of the traits that make someone more likely to suffer from PTSD... among disassociation at the time of the incident, etc. Of course this is oversimplified. I read this in a book called "Invisible Heroes", I just looked up the author online her name is Belleruth Naparstek if anyone is interested. I agree with alot of the statements above. It is also said that women are more communicative in general.
 
I am back because I want to add that I think we should celebrate the ways that men and women are different, but focus on the fact that before we are sexual beings, we are first and foremost human beings.

We all suffer when society asks either gender to be anything less that what we legitimately are and also when it asks us to be more than we can ever possibly be. I am so tired of being lumped into the globalization's that say all men are this way. I'm sad when some men do the same thing to the ladies because it fails to take into consideration an individual's strengths and weaknesses. It strips us of our individuality, and it is nothing more than a conditioned response that continues to de-humanize each of us. We are all people deserving of respect; each with our own stories of suffering and triumph. It is not helpful for PTSD sufferers such as myself who come from being sexually abused little boys in serach of help and then be told that mostly women suffer from PTSD. What difference does that make to me? What am I being told? The message is clear; we live in a society that dictates that men are not allowed to be victims, to need help, or to show emotion etc. To be a man who needs help is to be stigmatized, ridiculed, and stereotyped, even by the people we go to for help. That needs to change!!!

Society is you and me! So, if change doesn't start with us, who do ya think is going to change things? No one that's who. I was most likely genetically predisposed to developing PTSD because both my father and his father had untreated ptsd, (as well as being practicing alcoholics). I grew up with no true parental guidance or positive coping skills and this further predisposed me to develop ptsd. I am also a very sensitive and empathic person, which makes being a man difficult these days because with homophobia still so rampant, I am thought of as a being homosexual or worse,....a woman, (no offense meant to you ladies). Yet, no one takes into account that I am a 6 ft. - 213 lb man who can whoop some serious butt if I need to, until they see me face to face. Then, no one dares to insinuate that I am somehow less of a man.

When you are 18, (or 21 as the case may be according to the state you live in), then and you are a male, then you are a man...period! So the real issue should be about what it means to be a descent human being. If more people would concern themselves with that than they do with some predetermined idea of what it means to be a man, (or a woman for that matter), then we could heal a lot of the sexism that divides this society into a group of alienated men and women. We could have true partnerships instead of the domestic violence and sickness that we hear way too much about today. Men would feel free to get help for the illnesses that lead them to be ignorant, sick and violent.

Alright folks, I didn't mean to rant so much for so long, but I am not apologizing..... I am no longer a child suffering in silence, ashamed and afraid. I am an adult and I have something to say, so I would really like to hear your thoughts on this subject. I know not all of you who struggle with ptsd have had your masculinity or feminity called into question and so for some of you this post is not really relevant...or is it??? What is the societal messages that underlie such statements as, "why don't you just get over it?" I think that whether we are talking about the social roles of men and women or the ignorance and stigma of mental illness, we are all affected by the beliefs that the majority of people hold to be true.

Thanks for letting me rant! I needed to get this off my chest, (so to speak).
 
Gender is a role with characteristics each sex is supposed to follow. Sex is what we are biologically - I'm a girl, he's a boy. I do not have a gender, I have a sex. According to my gender role, I'm supposed to be weak, stupid, superficial, dumb, sleazy, blah blah blah. I refuse to follow my gender role, because I am a WOMAN-so many people accuse me of being a bitch a dyke a ho a whatever because I don't behave and act according to my specified gender.

Gender is not natural, you force a 'gender' on each sex. It's all conditioning and 'normalizing' of the sexes in order to keep us in line.

So, I'd like to make a change right now and say hey, I'm not a gender (dumb, stupid, weak girl), I'm a female/woman/human. Believe in humanity, not sexism. We have lived for 2000 years under the twisted belief that we must suffer 24/7 in this life in order to be rewarded after death. Translation: Keep the masses miserable and you control them. What's the saddest part? We the people actually willingly and dutifully police these gender norms and punish those who do not obey them.

Gender Benders are people who, for whatever reason, simply can't/won't follow the 'norm' of the gender laid out for them at birth by their parents, friends, authorities etc...

Both men and women have opened up to me about emotional things. Non-judgmental validation - we all crave it naturally. Say yes to listening and accepting. Create your own peace circle!
 
I am no longer a child suffering in silence, ashamed and afraid.

Great words. It makes me want to stand up and shout it out loud!

When I joined the army I was asked too damn many times to count if why I joined up was because I was a slut or a dyke. I had a Sgt. Major dress me down in front of four officers (males) that I had no business being in uniform and I should be home raising babies and taking care of a home. Needless to say none of the officers stood up for me. In talking to women who've been in the military after me I've noticed that it's gotten better but the sexism hasn't gone away.

I've never been one of those people that follow gender roles that were assigned to me by my parents and society. Most of it has been rebelling against what was shoved down my throat. I've also found that I'm most comfortable with people (both sexes) that rebel against their assigned roles.

Breaking molds and changing perceptions happen one person at a time. If one person sees that how they expect things to happen isn't necessarily the best thing it starts them thinking and they pass that on and so on and so on. Lionheart, you standing up and saying 'This isn't right' is a great start. Your post will be read by a lot of people (even people who aren't members of this forum) and hopefully will plant the seeds of change.

Lisa
 
Long time no hear

I will put my hand up for the males, ive been around for ages but just reading the posts maybe its time to start posting again, for all that know me hello long time on hear,
Nugget
 
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