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Friday

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In the states today, the Centers for Disease Control announced that if one has been fully vaccinated they don't need to wear a mask or use social distancing.
Which means all the anti-vaxers will shed the masks the never wanted to wear and only do to be allowed into shops & avoid being arrested by police, and all the vaccinated carriers who shed theirs... will start spreading the virus like wildfire, again. There’s not even a bracelet or anything to wear to prove vaccination to counterfeit. It’s an “on your honor” system. In America. Where virtually no one gives a f*ck about honor.

To be frank, it feels like a ploy to get people scared enough, by the spike in cases & deaths whilst overall numbers are lowering and hospitals are still equipped, to vaccinate who otherwise wouldn’t.

It’s a sound mathmatical / statistics / psych ploy. We’ll lose fewer people in the long run, by sacrificing some now. But it makes me sad. Collateral damage is always sad. And I’ll still be n95 masking / gloving / “gowning” to go out, and decontamination showering/scrubbing every time I leave the house & return... for probably the next 6-12mo. Assuming I live that long.
 

grief

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stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. the whole thing infuriates me. then again i wonder why i am shocked. rinse, repeat. how could people behave this poorly, this illogically, without regard for reason, without regard for one another?

our whole society appears to be collapsing systematically which it’s always been in need of doing quite frankly there are too many old models in place and it was never self-sustainable. but it is frustrating and maddening and disgusts me beyond repair, really.

there are people that i know who are refusing to become vaccinated. and i mean i can’t have a discussion with these people because i will start yelling at them, genuinely, genuinely yelling at them. how do you not understand, because you have no empathy. you have no empathy for what it is like until it happens to you and then you go on facebook. “oh, woe is me, i didn’t listen. look what happened.”

how many people did you infect? did you kill? i wish i had the luxury of behaving as idiotically as these f*cking people. i wish i could really scare the shit out of them. lord knows i could. COVID’s all fun and games, isn’t it, oh you don’t believe in vaccines? huh? how about i-and you know, on and on. i’m just mad.
 

Friday

Moderator
how many people did you infect? did you kill? i wish i had the luxury of behaving as idiotically as these f*cking people. i wish i could really scare the shit out of them. lord knows i could. COVID’s all fun and games, isn’t it, oh you don’t believe in vaccines? huh? how about i-and you know, on and on. i’m just mad.
Right???

It’s the whole psych-test of (the train Q) that most people -in the US- would rather having 1oo people die by your actions that you aren’t personally involved in, than push 1 person to their death. Or not push 1 person to their death, killing 1,ooo. People just don’t THINK. Oh, that’s not MY fault!!! f*cking cowards. Yes. Yes it is. Your actions, or inactions, matter. If you walk around infecting people? Those deaths SHOULD be on your conscious.

But the “not my fault” has become f*cking zeitgeist.

I think the whole trauma thing, may highlight that a bit more. When a person has to work hard not to take responsibility for OTHER people’s actions? To draw the line between what I did, vs what others did, vs what simply happened? That’s more awareness of personal responsibility, and where those lines lie, than most people ever -these days, in this place, at least- ever really face.
 

grief

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Right???

It’s the whole psych-test of (the train Q) that most people -in the US- would rather having 1oo people die by your actions that you aren’t personally involved in, than push 1 person to their death. Or not push 1 person to their death, killing 1,ooo. People just don’t THINK. Oh, that’s not MY fault!!! f*cking cowards. Yes. Yes it is. Your actions, or inactions, matter. If you walk around infecting people? Those deaths SHOULD be on your conscious.

But the “not my fault” has become f*cking zeitgeist.
and i guarantee you they are the same f*cking idiots who would act like i had a loaded gun if i brought a knife up to my hand. the level of idiocy in america today cannot be f*cking overstated. i am just grateful that there remains some small corner of the universe that is sane especially on the internet where the king of every idiot village has come to represent himself.
 

Innordinate

MyPTSD Pro
Do you get just as angry over people who don't get seasonal flu vaccines?

Cuz there's ppl walk around every flu season infecting others and some of those people might die...... are they cowards as well? should those deaths be on their conscience too? have you never felt a little sick and gone to the store or to work pre-covid19? is it even possible for you to know who you've infected and what damage it's caused?
🤔

is there realistic talk of fully eradicating this virus or will it most likely be seasonal from here on out?
If you don't get a covid vaccine every season/ twice a year does that mean you're a coward and responsible for however many deaths that season too?

Are we also going to start carrying vaccination cards for other seasonal viruses?

Hey! did you get your H1N1 vaccine!?
no? what? you f*cking coward!!
is that going to be a thing? really?
🙄

I'm not sticking up for the assholes and the idiots, but im definitely not going to shame or wish bad karma on people who make a choice i don't agree with.

there's a middle ground there.....somewhere.
 

grief

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do i shame people who deliberately throw not getting a flu vaccine in other people’s faces because they think it will upload them with 5G? i feel like this is a trick question. and getting this vaccine is not the same thing as getting a flu shot. the flu has a fraction of a percentage of the death rate of covid.

i honestly do not care to debate any further on the subject. i was and am and will remain frustrated by these people because they are morons and i dislike them and i won’t apologize for that. if we reach the point that covid becomes a seasonal virus as a species we will have built up enough immunity to where it is not as big of a deal to contract it, but given the rate at which it is mutating and the effects that new strains have against our current vaccination methods the idea that covid will become as simple as the flu is not as clear-cut.

even still, yes, you are perfectly an idiot for failing to vaccinate yourself and protect other people against common illnesses that may not impact your life but they do impact the lives of others. and no, fine, i don’t want them to be all rounded up and executed, but yes, i am getting a little sick and f*cking tired of hearing from people at my job that they won’t get the vaccine because they don’t know what’s in that stuff or they saw a poorly edited photograph on twitter or whatever, because god f*cking forbid they think of anyone else but themselves.

i’m tired of the middle ground, i am exhausted from catering to everybody else and never being allowed to show my rage and my frustration for a single f*cking moment of the day because i need to stay professional or else i will lose my job.
 

ladee

MyPTSD Pro
I will continue to wear my mask and I have had both my shots. I have become less political and more self-caring since this whole nightmare started. And in the States?? We could have a million conversations, pro, and con, about the people here and how they have acted or reacted to this deadly virus.

I also know people who are refusing to get the vaccine. Their reasons or excuses simply baffle me. I don't bother to engage with them because I understand they will end up having a funeral few will be able to attend.

Some companies have even offered money to those who get vaccinated. Money as an incentive.

I will wear my mask and continue to stay away from people who aren't wearing a mask. I will still come home and wash my hands and take personal precautions. Because this isn't just about ME.

We could have another thread about the sorry condition the States is in. I am sometimes more concerned by the innate selfishness of the people of States than I am about Covid. On many levels, the amount of insanity and selfishness I see is reason to be concerned. At least I will know who NOT to call in an emergency.

ETA: This is my reply to people who say, ' because I don't what's in it'. I simply ask, ' have you ever eaten a hotdog?' I just get a dumb look because it never occurred to them to check the ingredients of those nasty things. Then I walk away.
 

grief

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I also know people who are refusing to get the vaccine. Their reasons or excuses simply baffle me.
i really don’t get it either. this is not a new problem but it is one that has been thrown into sharp relief. it is something that used to impact me a lot more than it now does, but it still does, because i am not extricated from my former life simply because my circumstances have changed.

to have the luxury of not giving a shit. to have to hold myself back from using dead friends as argumentative trump cards because that is not how i want them to be remembered. but i am so f*cking tired. i am so, so, so, so, so. tired. tired and sad and pissed off. tired of idiots. tired of stupid people. tired of holding my tongue.

and i know that i take this stuff far more personally than the average individual. i know that my reactions are disproportionate, perhaps. not perhaps. guaranteed. and i know @Innordinate, you did not deserve me to lash out like that which i apologize for. it was misplaced and unfair.

this stuff is a rage button.
 
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Friday

Moderator
Do you get just as angry over people who don't get seasonal flu vaccines?
Yes.

Because BEST case scenario it’s a minimum of 10k in new medical debt (and we’ve gone into 7 figures of medical debt, 10k is the bare minimum), and at worst my kid is coding repeatedly at a level 1 trauma center & spending months inpatient, with no known prognosis... because people don’t f*cking give a damn about anyone else. Oh it’s “just” the flu. Selfish, self centered, first world goddamn f*cking c*nts. I DESPISE people who go out and about into the world sick, because it doesn’t bother them. So why the hell should they care about infants, the elderly, the pregnant, the immunocompromised, and all of their families, and the effect they will have on anyone else? All the standard precautions of the past? Pfft. Why should we stay home when sick?

Cuz there's ppl walk around every flu season infecting others and some of those people might die...... are they cowards as well?
YES. ABSOf*ckINGLUTELY.
I'm not sticking up for the assholes and the idiots, but im definitely not going to shame or wish bad karma on people who make a choice i don't agree with.
My kid dies, all bets are off. You kill my kid, and I know it was you, you die. Full stop. The piddly ass calling someone out on their bullshit cowardice, by public ally shaming them? Oh yeah. Will do. Have done. Will continue to do. Becuase It is unf*ckingacceptable. It’s only “become” acceptable in recent decades, in the me-me-me-snowflake nonsense, and Oh! I don’t juuuuuuuudge” gasp! How awful! Saying someone might not be a special amazing brilliant lovely unique piece of perfection? The horror! I could neeeeever confront them! f*ck that noise. Before there were ANY social services... people stayed HOME when sick. Now? Other people can suck it. Because it’s not MY fault!!! Nope. It absolutely IS your fault, you f*cking coward, if you walk around infecting people. Whether it’s “just” the flu, or lying about STD status, or whatever the f*ck else some selfish asshole is spreading around, because they don’t give a damn. Well? I give a damn.

ETA - <grin> Please note, I’m not pissed at you. At all. It’s a totally valid question. Covid? Really hasn’t changed anything for me. I am ALWAYS this pissed off at people dragging their illnesses out in public. (But then I worked epidemics in the 3rd world, where people hiked for days to get themselves and their kids immunized, and dug mass graves, and buried babies, and held onto wailing mothers, and so it’s been reeeeeally personal, for a very long time.) Except -with Covid- a lot more people are now aware that their actions kill other people. Even if they don’t care how many people die by their actions, until it’s someone they love, dying by other people’s selfishness & cowardice.
 
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Innordinate

MyPTSD Pro
could have another thread about the sorry condition the States is in. I am sometimes more concerned by the innate selfishness of the people of States
Canada is much the same, we just have a fraction of the population so it's not as apparent here, for the most part.

know @Innordinate, you did not deserve me to lash out like that
i didnt consider it a lash out
you were venting. obviously (though not obvious to me then)
but yeh.... not worried about it, thanks tho and i'm sorry for the losses you have from covid

i get why you'd be tired
i think a lot of people are tired for the same reasons
and i also was not trying to offend or minimize what you were saying
am ALWAYS this pissed off at people dragging their illnesses out in public
no worries and good to know


i think covid..... i dunno....
ive never thought about being sick out in public before, mostly cuz i didnt really have that luxury until recently and i also dont go out much anyways, even when im not sick

covid hasnt changed much for me either
cuz, i dont really care if i live, so far, it doesnt seem to effect kids too much and i isolated as much as possible before covid was a thing anyways....

like i said, i dont support the idiots. some of the conspiracy theories are... even ridiculous for conspiracy theories.... and im sure i havent heard half of them...

definitely some crazy assholes out there

but i also dont think most of the people who dont want the vaccine are bad/evil/cowardice/selfish etc.
i think they're confused, unsure and feel immense societal pressure they dont know what to do with so they spout whatever random piece of info they've seen/heard and probably hope the whole conversation would just go away
especially if they're also a parent

govt responses dont help
it's pretty obvious govt's have no f*cking idea what to do or how to do it, they're clearly playing a "wait and see" "lets try this and see how it goes" game while trying to pretend they have some control, and that probably scares a lot of people, especially people who, up until now, have lived in a privileged little bubble

rome before the bubble burst
 

grief

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and i also was not trying to offend or minimize what you were saying
of course. i appreciate the reply. and i understand where most people are coming from on this. i do. and then i ranted some more for like 35 paragraphs. honestly none of the rest of below is at you but just things i've been noodling around since reading yours and friday's responses. but unfortunately you just caught me in the chest at a bad time. thank you for accepting my apology.

spent the better part of the day listening to coworkers complain about everything. in the "first world" i can safely say that isn't my problem any more. not my monkeys. not my circus. doesn't affect me. except it is my problem when people are losing their jobs. losing their health insurance. end up in the hospital. get covid and f*cking die.

@Friday says it the best. it is personal. i knew their families and spoke with them and shared in their joys and losses. they are real people. not names or faces or numbers. human beings. and personally i've had the thought so many times over this pandemic: what will happen to me? will i be able to make sure i have the resources i need to keep myself safe and my family safe if people are stealing toilet paper at the grocery store and insurrectionists are overtaking the white house?

it sounds dramatic and it probably was. but that is a real fear that i really had. and i am not alone. the CDC actually has the answer direct from NASTAD plastered in huge letters right there. how many people in africa and asia right now are dead from opportunistic infections that no one pays any attention to. never have. never did. never will. these are people who are the lowest of the low on society's totem pole. and covid is a pretty huge opportunistic infection.

ppl left with nothing no government help only volunteer aid which is incredible but not enough. not even close. it gets bad enough people are dropping dead in the street and no one stops. modi flat out admitted he has no idea what he's doing and no plan to offer assistance. and people are dying of easily treatable diseases because all of those resources are shifted to covid and there are areas that managed to maintain good coverages (although art init in kzn was still down over half-which means people are dead, simple.) but for the most part it is a f*cking shit show.

and that is on top of new variations of covid. these are not stupid people. it's not like they don't understand how vaccines work. they are poor people! and they are dealing with poor people problems. and poor people problems means you don't get priority for medicine for other diseases that are killing your f*cking people on top of a deadly global pandemic.

that's not coronavirus. but our society is interwoven. all of the parts of our societies and global commerce function together. not in a vacuum. when your health care system is overloaded from covid you have people dying from things that the hospital used to find simple to treat. and this is not isolated to developing countries. i speak about this particular casualty because i know about it first-hand but i am sure many people who are similarly affected can chime in. people who have organ transplants and other diseases. people with heart and lung problems.

covid takes the r0 of the flu and decimates it. so you are walking through a room and breathing and infecting who knows how many other people. and how many of those people immunocompromised? afford vaccines? allergic to vaccines? too young to get a vaccine? and people are just walking around. oh, i don't know if i'll get vaccinated. because my arm might hurt. i don't know if i'm going to vaccinate my child. i see white. my vision honestly gives out.

your arm will hurt for a day max. you might get the Feelbads. vaccines save people's lives every single day. pep/hrig saves lives every single day. ever get bitten by a wild animal? make a mistake? get a needle stick? fact. every day. you just don't hear about it because it's not even a blip in the western world. the same kinds of things that kill people every day that we never worry about. or how some people do not even think it "exists" anymore. like cholera. diphtheria. tuberculosis. medication saves lives. vaccines save lives. always. always.

frustrating and infuriating and people don't want to go to walmart because the evil walmart greeter might make them wear a covering over their f*cking mouth on the off chance that they will maybe shut the f*ck up.
 
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