Compulsive Lying

[Amuwu]

Hi this is Oro here (post 12)
This answers my question I think. I hope people don't climb on the bandwagon here in respo...

I think you are right. Just an opinion of course.

 

[Cizumu]

What happens when they stop being entertaining?

& Maybe I'd look there. There's more than 'entertaining' in those intera...

Oops, forgot to finish off. So if someone gets to that level where I actually care about them, entertaining or not, I think I'd still care for them. I enjoy just having conversations with them not thinking if it'll be entertaining or of interest.(Normally if I think it'll be boring, I drop the person.)

 

[Kowoho]

Well. I think you got your answers. Take care. I hope you get better.

 

[Zesuz]

So do you get that's what the OP is talking about? The exact same emotional distancing, derealization, depersonalization, etc. Just using plain speech about it, instead of psychobabble terms that sound better.

Lying and manipulation is derealization and depresonalization?

I can see distancing but not the "i don't care if they were waterboarded, tortured, and stabbed a bunch of times"

Maybe care but tell myself I don't. But I distance emotionally, depersonalize, and deal with derealization but still have empathy. Those things do not equate no empathy. Not at all.

And the manipulate and lie for fun is just plan abusive in my opinion.

Gaslighting is the first thing that comes to my mind. f*cking with someone for fun.

I am not trying to belittle or berate, I am simply being honest. I think saying this is emotionally distancing, depersonalizion, and derealization is excusing it. It is abusive, regardless.

I am a realist. This is my complete honest opinion. You must call things how they are to work on this fully.

 

[Cizumu]

So do you get that's what the OP is talking about? The exact same emotional distancing, derealization, depersonalization...

I am not sure if it's a level of dissociation where I don't care about anyone else. I will speak with my therapist about it. I have dissociated before and I'm not sure if this is the same thing. I just really don't care for other people. I don't think I'm better than anyone or think other people are lesser. If there were to be one last piece of ration and there's one other kid, I'd probably give it to him because even though I don't like kids, I know he is the future of the world.

Though of course if let's say I'm in the forest and I'm very weak and this child obviously can't hunt or be self sufficient.. then if anything, I'd either leave the kid to be eaten by wolves, or I'll kill him myself. I'm not sure if I could bring myself to kill AND eat him, but I'd eat the ration myself. That's just realistic thinking. If I die then I can't feed the boy and I. That's two lives lost. If I eat and make myself stronger yet unable to provide for the child as well, then it's just one lost life.

 

[Lenav]

if let's say I'm in the forest and I'm very weak and this child obviously can't hunt or be self sufficient.. then if anything, I'd either leave the kid to be eaten by wolves, or I'll kill him myself. I'm not sure if I could bring myself to kill AND eat him, but I'd eat the ration myself. That's just realistic thinking. If I die then I can't feed the boy and I. That's two lives lost. If I eat and make myself stronger yet unable to provide for the child as well, then it's just one lost life.

I'd die trying to feed the child first.

That's caring.

 

[Cizumu]

Lying and manipulation is derealization and depresonalization?

I can see distancing but not the "i don't care if they w...

Hello. Just wanted to let you know that I agree with you and I'm not looking to excuse this. The point of this thread was to see if this is some disorder or I'm just a plain asshole once in a while. The manipulation, lying, etc., is not a daily thing.. but the "not caring" is. It's just not as prominent or strong on some days. Kind of like how some days someone is really loving ice cream, but some days they feel like having a smoothie instead. It's something you can't really control, it's just your brain acting however it wishes.

 

[Cizumu]

I'd die trying to feed the child first.

That's caring.

I don't mean this in a harsh way, I'm just being honest. In a survival situation, that's ridiculous. Showing that level of compassion and "care" is a flaw and weakness.(in that specific situation) It's a distraction to the future and what you could accomplish staying alive. Now if this kid is somehow able to stay self sufficient and strong while I am not, then I will let him eat first.

 

[Cizumu]

I don't understand the OPs terminology.
"False truth". " indirect caring"

When I said "false truth" I mean making someone believe a lie I told them by having "evidence" for the possible doubter if it's needed. I'm not allergic to peanuts, but I made myself have a reaction.(I ate something else) I ate the peanuts in front of Person A. Then when Person B came along, they learned I'm "allergic" to peanuts. If they doubt me, I have Person A to say otherwise because they witnessed a reaction followed after my action of eating a peanut. That's what I mean by "false truth." It's truth for them, but it's a lie for me. It's a lie no matter how you look at it.

"Indirect caring" = I care for my friend. Let's call her Sarah. Sarah finds out her grandmother died and Sarah was close to her grandmother. I don't care about the grandmother dying, but I will be interested to know if the grandmother is doing okay because I know the grandmother's well being will affect Sarah. If Sarah wasn't very close or didn't even know the grandmother existed, then I wouldn't bother faking concern for the grandmother BUT my concern for Sarah is legitimate.

 

[Ocafe]

OP I think you're in total denial. Even "small" lies can be devastating and destroy relationships.

I don't think you actually want to change because you hurt others. (You don't really care about anyone else it seems.)

 

[Pilot]

Are you sure you're not on the Autism spectrum? That's what I'm picking up here.

 

[Fohah]

I find the content of this thread disturbing, not the lying itself but the cold calculation.

You never said what the major lie was. I'm afraid with the callousness to ask what it was.