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Compulsive Lying

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Of course your take on all of this is very important. Your mother's message along with the horrible abuse, was you are not worthy of success, almost ties in with why your bar is so high. Some teens when fed this message turn to stealing which l think you covered.
 
Repressed anger towards people may have been fostered by your parents who behaved in violent, intimidating ways and your was tightly repressed, (M punished any show of emotion). So you have the anger, issues with control, and l feel some rage which is not unreasonable given how you were raised. So l am hear to listen to the next thing that happened to you with your permission, so that you feel listened to and relieve some anger and pain in a safe place. Finally, l politely suggest to live in the present to fully stay in charge of your impulse control helping take you out of the helplessness mode if you understand me there.
 
Think that's why l shoplifters, same message, different parents. Except l just got clothes belt for punishment. But l digress. Interested in all your thoughts, even how this shapes your outlook today.
 
After a very deep breath of feeling so lost after your detailed violent attack by your mom on a regular basis, l am here...

Yes, I went through a depressive stage for roughly two years and attempted suicide a few times. 2/3 times I went to the hospital, but only one was in a mental hospital. My first attempt was drowning and I had to be resuscitated. I have bad legs so I used that as an excuse to explain my lack of ability to stay above water. Second time was in the mental hospital. I drank pills and alcohol together, I grabbed random pills and medicine form the cupboards. Went to school and apparently I started throwing up/coughing up blood before passing out and seizing. Third time I did pills again and I guess I didn't do enough that last time, and no one found out. Both times when I was in the hospital, my mom would come and visit(just to say she did) and then she would tell me I'm a financial burden to her and that I was wasting my time. When she could, she wouldn't visit. Once in a while if she didn't have a good enough excuse.. but she would go there and scold me before leaving 10-15 minutes later. Eventually I got out of the depressive stage. I got bored of it.
 
Of course your take on all of this is very important. Your mother's message along with the horrible abuse, was you are no...

yes except most of my stealing was done when I was in kinder to maybe... fourth grade..? I was young. I stopped for a while because it got too easy and was bored of it. I was scolded first time I was caught and I remember not feeling guilty, but I saw it more as a teaching lesson. From that I learned how to be more careful. I then got back into it during high school when I didn't have the money or I had a bit more freedom outside. Then of course college came in (i'm still in college) which means somewhat more freedom to do things.. already stressed out people... anyways. yeah I still steal just not to the extent of my younger self. I find it kind of funny that my younger self was so good at it and somehow knew how to do it.
 
Think that's why l shoplifters, same message, different parents. Except l just got clothes belt for punishment. But l di...

I was also punished with belts. Both hit with them and choked by them.
 
@cizumu - is everything you've relayed about your life (in this thread) the truth, so far?

It seems a fair question, given the topic.
 
Repressed anger towards people may have been fostered by your parents who behaved in violent, intimidating ways and your...

I was just thinking, another thing that I really hated was how when my mother and I would be in the car. She'd hit and yank at me. Scratching and pinching.. I hated how other people were right outside the window and wouldn't do anything. I remember staying emotionless and still as she pounding and messed with me. I wouldn't react to her, but I remember making eye contact to a few people outside the window and they'd just look away. No one ever said anything or helped me. There were very rare times she would physically do something to me out in public(when we're not in the car.) In a clothes store, sometimes she'll throw the clothes rack toward me and tell me to pick it up if no one was around, or she'll tightly squeeze my arm and drag me. I remember one time, I was probably in sixth grade.. she kicked the back of my knee and I almost fell because of it, we were surrounded by other people. My classmates, two teachers.. and no one said anything. It got silent, I turned toward her to see the same glare she gives me all the time and instead of being upset, I was embarrassed that she would do something like that in front of people. I didn't know how to react so I turned my back on her after and ignored her until she forced me to go outside where she hit me on the back so no one would see it.

I hated how the very few times I felt brace enough(or smart enough) to talk to someone about them, NO ONE believed me. No one ever listened to me. I told my teacher that my mom as hitting me. I was crying that day, I had a bruise on my arm. My mom is usually very careful about where she hits me. Usually high up on my shoulder where my sleeve covers my arm or she won't hit me hard enough to cause bruises on my arm. She'll hit my back, kick my stomach, but usually not on exposed areas. That day, she messed up and hit me a bit lower than the side of my shoulder so I wouldn't have to pull my sleeve up. I went in crying and telling my teacher that my mom hit me. I remember this so well. the teacher gentle rest her hand on my opposite shoulder, patted it and said, "Oh (insert name) your mother is a wonderful woman. I don't think she would ever hit you. I think you're over exaggerating. I think she just gave you a pat like that and you're upset that she's mad at you." then she told me something about how I could make it up to my mother after school. I also remember a fellow classmate mimicking my cries saying, "Awww my mommy hit me!" ..kids are cruel at that age. That was the last time I cried about it and the last time I attempted to get help. Last time it was against my will. People found out and it went so far that the police came to my place and even the police didn't believe me!

I was still in high school at the time. The school counselor saw a bruise near my neck on my back and asked how I got it. I told her that I ride horses and I was bucked off -- that it happens. Then a couple weeks later, I guess I couldn't handle stress from school and my parents, so I spent about an hour or two in the bathroom crying and panicking. I was having images in my head flashing and I felt like I was losing it. A teacher noticed and got other teachers as well as the school counselor to talk me out of the restroom and brought me to a room where I could be alone with the counselor. She asked if I wanted my parents to pick me up and I made the mistake of immediately refusing the idea. She put the pieces together and somehow managed the police to come and talk to my parents. But they didn't separate my and my parents in the beginning. She sat my parents and I in our dining room and confronted me. my parents, being the actors they are, were clueless and shocked about the accusation my school made against them. Everything made it seem like there was no point in fighting, so I ended up lying to the police just so they'd get off my back. They were causing me stress too. But that's not what really annoyed me. What I'm really upset and confused about is that one of the social workers came to speak with my parents alone and I overheard her saying, "Well, your daughter seems to good with her pet dog. Someone who was unstable.. or.. a monster, an animal wouldn't appear so comfortable with her." I couldn't believe that they were calling me the monster. Everyone was against me and I didn't meet my friend until a year later on. I just hated that I wouldn't even look at my parents for a second. If they were abusers wouldn't they at least THINK that "Oh. Well according to the file this person has been abused. Maybe her parents are very good at hiding it since statistically, abusers tend to be manipulative," but they didn't. Everyone was on the side of my parents and I hated it. Nobody would even take a look, they all fell into the hands of my parents and were being played like puppets. They were pathetic and couldn't see it, and I could.
 
@cizumu - is everything you've relayed about your life (in this thread) the truth, so far?

It seems a fair question, gi...

Yes as far as I can remember. I don't see the point in lying on this thread since not only is it anonymous, but.. I don't know. I just think it's easier to start in an anonymous thread that is online. People don't see a face or a name tied to what i'm saying so I don't have to worry about keeping a mask.. I guess. I don't have to act.
 
Sorry, l do believe you, l see parts of me in this, l see exactly my daughter told the same thing. Oh, that boy would never do that. He is very nice. I see a lot of truth here. I see you examining everything right now that you have through. I feel the same way you do, why did certain people let things happen and why was l victimized again when l told my story of abuse to family members? So l do believe you. The question is do you wish to talk about the next abusive thing or do you want to talk about changing your thought process on compulsive lying at this point? Where should we go from here?
 
Also, l have been harassed by some people but truthfully their actions kinda of embarrass me really. So l get what you are saying about your mom. But you did examine the learned helplessness thought yet. Do you understand how you were made to feel helpless and even more so when nobody helped you and believe you. That is the lowest form of , it must be my fault, l truly must be not worthy of love, l feel betrayed and abandoned by my mother on all levels, love, parent, provider, to also include my father. These thoughts are so conditioned in you that you have to acknowledge and say here the truth about your mother for you to move on. I can truly say l wonder if my step-father really loved me. But l also know he had an extremely abusive father, and my father continued the pattern in the way he treated me and my brother. One time he kicked my brother so hard and l had to tell my brother, it wasn't him, it was his father that was screwed up. So do you wish to acknowledge your mother's lack of......
 
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